Danioover9000

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  1. Posted

    @Julian gabriel

    16 hours ago, Julian gabriel said:

    How could we expand spiral dynamics to make both lower and higher stages?

    Lower stages could include behaviors of various animals, such as monkeys.

    Higher stages could include the greatest sages and mystics. Not Alan watts, Eckhart Tolle or Mooji. But rather what we may imagine Christ or Buddha were like. (Of course that would be difficult) 

    I think one of the main things limiting spiral dynamics is that it’s only a map of human development.
    How about we include lower purely survival based stages? Very animalistic stages with no higher functions whatsoever. 

    If anyone knows about animal psychology, you could give your ideas on this. 

    Also we could add alien intelligence and love at the higher end of the spiral if @Leo Gura ever goes into more depth about what he means by that. 

    If anyone has any idea what Leo means by alien love and how we could fit it into spiral dynamics, then share that.

       The higher stages in question, past stage turquois, are stage coral and stage teal and the transparent stages. From stage coral to teal and above are considered tier 3 cognition, and it's arguable that hyper, ultra-levels of spirituality that hyper alien intelligences are also at that level.

       Like in Metroid series, and the Metroid Prime trilogy, and the Chozo of bird like aliens. Yes, example is fictional, but at this point there's very little real-world examples of even stage coral, let alone stage turquoise despite what Leo had to say about stage turquoise in one of his videos, which, BTW, got copyright strike by the founders of Spiral Dynamics for allegedly misrepresenting stage turquoise, so, at stage turquoise is where the ratio of less real-world examples to more fictional examples happens.

  3. Posted

    @Girzo

    4 hours ago, Girzo said:

    @Danioover9000 And I am simply telling him why it's a wrong path to take, so he won't waste too much time here. It's out of compassion, not lack of chills :P

    OP is talking about behaviors in just a second sentence. It's clearly a mark of confusion, as SD doesn't deal with norms and behaviours at all. Different cultures at the same stage Blue with very similar values can have radically different norms and behaviors, for example Jews and Muslims.

       That's ultimately up to the OP. Why I side with OP, is that it is also entertaining for me to entertain possibilities. If it's not your cup of tea, fine, but don't negate OP and I teas, while imposing your own kind of iced tea.

  6. Posted

    @newbee 

       On top of all that, is the internet, that acts like a force multiplier and magnifying glass that magnifies preexisting ideologies and indoctrinated beliefs via online forums, chat groups, comment sections, viewers and so on. While there's stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing and ego development, life experiences and other lines of development to consider, the internet can factor in as the magnifying factor that both increases dogmatic, close minded and cult like tendencies and cult like identities, the internet also enables faster spread of ideologies, alongside algorithms per social media website and news feeds that curate and tailors' contents and what is/isn't shown to viewers and users.

  7. Posted

    @newbee

    4 hours ago, newbee said:

    I thought this video was both sad and funny as the hilariously ironical pronouns GOD/GODSELF for the self-appointed atheist in the beginning of the video are also fitting for this forum since people on here are striving for that God realization Leo claims to have achieved (some time?), so we could all use these pronouns instead of some narcissistic twat who thinks she (yes I said 'she' since I saw boobs that's why I'm calling it a she)  can have the world bend over backwards and thinks she's 'oh so important' to have some unique pronouns that don't even make sense (in her case, since she claims to NOT believe in GOD lolol)

    The rest of the video shows more of the sad truth of the toxic trans agenda as Arielle points out that the number of people who think they are trans but actually aren't have skyrocketed, specificaly over the past 5 years along with detransitioners and most of those people are young teenage women.  Mostly because doctors are being afraid of being labeled transphobic.  Kids are thereby being fast-tracked onto the trans-train with all regrettable consequences as a result.   

     Quote from Mary, detrans woman :

    Hmm is that why they flock to conservative channels to tell their stories and be heard?  Or is their leftie pro trans community not as open-minded and inclusive as the think they are?  -_-

     

       While this is a bit cherry picked, I do agree there's some degree of close mindedness, on every side of the issue. This trans person has constructed an identity to live as an ego, in a group that collectively identifies as trans, is also collective ego. Of course, zoom out enough every position and every side developed a self-image and group-image to hold onto, so every side, including the left, are not immune to this deep issue of identity. 

  8. Posted

    @Girzo

    34 minutes ago, Girzo said:

    What you are proposing is not an improvement, but a degradation. More =/= better.

    I think it comes from a misunderstanding of what Spiral Dynamics is. It's not even a map of human development. It's a map of how HUMAN values HAVE evolved. Values, not general development. Also, it only describes what is, not what will be, it only has some vague idea of what could be. And we can already can fit Jesus and Buddha on it, because the values presummably esposused by those historical figures are avaialable to us from ancient written texts.

    Adding animal stages make no sense in that context, because how the heck are you going to measure values that animals adhere to. Are you gonna interview a hamster? Or go under the sea to make a visit to a family of humpback whales and ask them a few questions?

    Okay, I might have been harsh with my language and tone, but it's only because the idea is so outragous, that's the only way to underline it that seems fitting in my opinion.

    You can propse your own model that describes general development. Spiral Dynamics is not it. SD is a tool for managers to solve conflicts in organizations.

    Model of Hierarchical Complexity is a model that could fit anything from atoms to aliens, but it's also not a model of general development.

    Ken Wilber tried to create something like general model, but didn't really achieve it and settled for something more managable. Also there's a reason why his books are 1000+ pages long. It's fucking hard. And we won't achieve it by typing random thoughts on some random internet forums, I can assure you of that.

       Chill out, it's just the OP entertaining the possibilities.

  9. Posted

    @Julian gabriel

    17 minutes ago, Julian gabriel said:

    How could we expand spiral dynamics to make both lower and higher stages?

    Lower stages could include behaviors of various animals, such as monkeys.

    Higher stages could include the greatest sages and mystics. Not Alan watts, Eckhart Tolle or Mooji. But rather what we may imagine Christ or Buddha were like. (Of course that would be difficult) 

    I think one of the main things limiting spiral dynamics is that it’s only a map of human development.
    How about we include lower purely survival based stages? Very animalistic stages with no higher functions whatsoever. 

    If anyone knows about animal psychology, you could give your ideas on this. 

     

       I definitely agree that we should expand Spiral Dynamics and add more complexity, more in a horizontal way like what would aliens and alien civilisations have as value systems, or if machine elves have their own versions of stages of development. Integral theory, by Ken Wilbur, is an example of doing just that, he read and added onto Spiral Dynamics to better determine at the individual level and other lines of development.

       For me, and some here, it's fun to entertain what versions of the spiral would look ljke from different sentient groups. It's basically philosophy at that point.

  10. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

    @Thought Art

    18 hours ago, Thought Art said:

    I’m not interested in speaking to people on the forum who behave in this way. Spelling on this forum is casual and I’m not going to spell check every little thing. 
     

    No longer responding to you in this thread.

       Sorry, I am special like that, so I can't help but nitpick. If English is not your main language, warn me beforehand so I can be gentle or ignore the grammar and spelling issues.

       Update: THEY FINALLY LISTENED TO ME! YOUTUBE, FOR 3 WEEKS, FINALLY ADDRESSED THE REPORTED VIDEO!!!?

    On 2022-11-04 at 11:04 PM, Danioover9000 said:

    @Thought Art

       Don't you see the issue that this alternative media is doing? There are no warnings or disclaimers on their videos of any graphic content, physical attacks or violent imagery of wounds, drugs, gun violence and so on. They also don't age restrict any of their video that breaks TOS in YouTube, like this video:

       Has no warnings or disclaimers of showing a knife wound, twice, which was the result of a violent attack. That's fucking graphic content, and the video ain't got no warnings or disclaimers in the description and in the video, or is age restricted, literally any person too young checks the video, gets the sighting of the graphic content. VICE IS IRESPONSIBLE AND SHOULD PUT WARNINGS IN DESCRIPTION/VIDEO, AGE RESTRICT, CENCOR THE KNIFE WOUND, TAKE DOWN THE VIDEO, OR FACE REPURCUSSIONS. 

     

  11. Posted

    @Thought Art

    1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

    @Danioover9000 Blame vice for what others do lol. Vice is the problem ahaha

    Those are interesting critiques for sure. But, that’s Vice…

    Sounds like your offended by them showing the reality of these Militia. 

       Actually, offended for how they handled their videos in general, not being responsible for issuing warnings and disclaimers that warrant warnings and disclaimers in the description box and/or video edited clip, if the subject matter at hand is violent, graphic, dealing with drugs, and so on that need to be age restricted or parts that need censoring.

       The video you posted about paramilitary and how some of the alt right extremists are recruiting ex-military members, is actually good reporting. Yes, it's socialistic/progressive biased, and has anti mainstream bias as well, but I think this reporting is over all a good coverage, albeit if I had enough time and energy, I could point out flaws here and there with their reporting, plus technical issues, like again, NO DISCLAIMERS AND WARNINGS FOR COVERING RADICALISTIC TOPIC AND POTENTIAL VIOLENT USE OF GUNS. Or something like that.

  12. Posted

    @Florian

    41 minutes ago, Florian said:

    @Danioover9000 maybe you actually tagged the wrong person, I didnt read anything above. But to me it seems like you did it on purpose. Whatever I could be wrong, as I said I didnt read anything in this thread anymore, but just in case: fuck u

    I tried to help give a new perspective with my first post and now I'm just defending myself with my posts. Anyways you guys seem to be hardstuck in your minds and I guess I'm not the one who can help you. 

    Fuck off, I don't know what you wrote above but you seem like an idiot.

    @Leo Gura If you don't like the way I formulate myself, please don't give me warning points anymore but just ban me. I don't think me posting on this forum gives anyone any value. I just post here and there when I feel like it or I think I have a good point to make/can actually help someone but it never seems to resonate with anyone. The only thing that gives me value from this forum is some of your posts here and there. Thank you for that though, reading through your posts gave me quite a lot of insights over the years.

       I really did tag the wrong person, sorry about that, I'll accept the F U and share in the fed-up feelings that are building up in this thread. Sometimes some users that take these threads seriously can be too much, sorry that you're getting warning points over pointless drama.

  15. Posted

    @julienw

    22 hours ago, julienw said:

    @Danioover9000

    Let me clarify what I meant by the term "loser." I don't think someone who isn't having sex is automatically a loser. I'm referring to people who use their inability to get laid as a way to victimize themselves and demonize other groups of people, like women, or blame progressivism and LGBTQ+ activism. And then comingle in toxic communities like the Incels. That's who I'm calling losers. To be honest I don't have that much sex, at all. By my earlier general definition I would be a loser. I'm not saying sexlessness = being a loser.  

       Thanks for your clarification, I thought you were generalizing and I'm like 'what about Ghandi and other celibates that impacted society in positive ways?'. Yes, I do notice this dynamic of the mind liking to be identified as the victim, belonging and comingling with likeminded people, enforcing the victimhood narrative further. It's a tricky issue to tackle.

  16. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

    @DrugsBunny

    1 hour ago, DrugsBunny said:

    @eggopm3

    Swing and a miss.
    https://www.issm.info/sexual-health-qa/is-it-common-for-transgender-people-to-regret-gender-affirmation-surgery

    Yeah, he's not even worth addressing.

       Excuse me, bugs bunny, what wool do you have over your eyes? What drug is bugging you out, with all these pathological logical lies you keep telling me and others here? trying to debate and argue others with your so-called rational construction? What do you have to offer, for OP, instead of derailing OP's thread with sophisticated hate, you hare? You ain't OP, overpowered by Ye's hubris: Anarchistic communist. Oh? thought I didn't catch on, that it's a second account of sophisticated clout making? Maybe less arguing and more willingness to learn? Less debating and more open mindedness?

       I suggest you humble yourself with humility, and less pretending to be a big footed bigot full of bigotry.

  19. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

       On the Donald Trump section, I don't think either side appreciated how dangerously close he almost ruined the USA, because most of Donald Trump's foreign policies came little from him, and more from others with more experience than him. I think Lex Fridman underestimates, and to some extent Fiona Hill, how Donald Trump's narcissism and some members of his group of lobbyists damaged to some extent Obama's policy and other areas of its government.

       Am I wrong that I get the sense that Lex Fridman is too autistic and left brained to understand how close America came to ruin? I get the feeling, my inference of both Lex Fridman and Fiona Hill, is that neither are willing to give a stronger answer towards Donald Trump, as if they fear a strong backlash from the right. To me, I'd clearly state that Donald Trump did more harm than good to American politics and policies, and that the majority of that came from his lack of political development and experiences, him conflating his business experiences as enough to run a political campaign and country and other lines of development that regress, depress and sometimes progresses other lines of development.

  20. Posted

    @Stovo

    On 2022-11-02 at 11:30 AM, Stovo said:

    It's excessive stage green on the spiral dynamics model but I don't understand your model well enough to comment on that.

       No, I think you're right in saying that wokeism one of many other limitations of the excesses of SD green groups and values. Wokeism also is part of the SD green political activism groups like humanitarian rights activism, animal welfare activism, environmental activism, even the online strains of the leftist political activism groups like SJWs or #Metoo activists, even ANTIFA is part of wokeism although it's a more aggressive soft terrorist group of the left that goes farther than activism.

  21. Posted

       20 minutes in, my impression is that Fiona Hill is conflating similarities of her environment and upbringing from growing up in her culture, to some other culture. I felt like there's likely a blind spot there, like she's attributing that Russia is like the United Kingdom and its treatment of Belfast, akin to how Russia is treating Ukraine. I don't know, something's off.

      Again, it all depends on one's stage of development, cognitive and moral development, psychological development and personality types, states of consciousness and being/becoming identity developments, life experiences and other lines of development, worldviews, biases, preferences and beliefs that are indoctrinated and imprinted by one's family and upbringings and shadow aspects of the psyche and value systems. Of course, I have my own biases and worldview about Lex Fridman and Fiona Hill and the other guests he has interviewed, which may cloud my intuitive signals from GOD, the universal mind's source, or simply my right brain signaling getting corrupted by my own prejudices and biases of my own life experiences.

  23. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

       It's an interesting interview, both to me were trying to make their points, but I felt that after Russel Brand brings up the Elliot Page guy, that was the point JP's mind closed down, became defensive, and both were talking past each other, not taking the time to unpack each other's bias in this dialectical exchange they were supposed to have. I felt there was plenty of issues and blind spots in their values systems, cognitive and moral development, personality typing, ego development, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development, and other areas of differences that have yet to develop, along with beliefs and worldviews that each person's mind likes to generalize, distort and distract from a more honest intellectual dialogue that could have happened:

     

  24. Posted

    @Space

    5 hours ago, Space said:

    Musk is not stupid. He obviously understands moderation. You just think he doesn't because he's doing things that go against your values and who you think should and shouldn't be allowed access. Twitter's moderation will basically remain unchanged. 

       Solid take, I intuit this as well. Although, in an ideal situation, Elon Musk should listen to some feedbacks in running Twitter, but I don't think he's going to listen to all the feedback, only some that don't threaten his bias too much, and will continue to run using whatever strategy he designed in mind for HIS Twitter, not the Twitter codesigned by OTHER PERSPECTIVES, from the users to the moderators, to the board members, and to advertisers and other third and so parties that make up the many other sides of this issue.

  25. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

    @Florian

    24 minutes ago, Florian said:

    @Danioover9000 i didnt even read all your posts and cant remember anything. My post had nothing to do with any of yours and wasnt aimed at you specifically

       Sorry, I tagged the wrong user, I meant the other user, the bunny who's using drugs.

       Didn't even know you existed.