Posted January 25, 2024 https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/over-one-hundred-days-war-israel-destroying-gazas-food-system-and-weaponizing-food-say-un-human-rights-experts More proof this is a war against the people of Gaza, not against Hamas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68078580 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/25/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-kills-9-in-un-shelter-sparking-outrage More proof of IDF targeting civilians on puporse like Hamas did. More and more it is shown that they are just as cruel. I remember when @Leo Gura said "The US will look very bad once the death toll exceeds 10.000", Now we are 2.5x times that with no end in sight. Crazy. Edited January 25, 2024 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 9 year old interview of Mark Regev regarding a strike on a UN shelter with many civilian casualties. Same old. Edited January 25, 2024 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 10 minutes ago, zazen said: 9 year old interview of Mark Regev regarding a strike on a UN shelter with many civilian casualties. Same old. How is that cu** not in jail for complicity in war crimes is really beyond me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 Sisi who is on good terms with Israel to speaking out on aid obstruction due to Israel says a lot - not sure how accurate this is or just him saving his own skin due to Israel publicly throwing him under the bus on this issue at ICJ for the world to hear. Will be surprised to hear if the ICJ result comes in as no plausible case for genocide - it doesn’t have to be a final verdict, just plausible - which there seems to be sufficient evidence for by now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Karmadhi said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68078580 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/25/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-kills-9-in-un-shelter-sparking-outrage More proof of IDF targeting civilians on puporse like Hamas did. More and more it is shown that they are just as cruel. I remember when @Leo Gura said "The US will look very bad once the death toll exceeds 10.000", Now we are 2.5x times that with no end in sight. Crazy. There is no proof here. This is hard to understand from the article what happened here, and anyway no Israeli here will take seriously aljazeera's reliability. Please add another source and I will take a look again. Edited January 25, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Karmadhi said: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/over-one-hundred-days-war-israel-destroying-gazas-food-system-and-weaponizing-food-say-un-human-rights-experts More proof this is a war against the people of Gaza, not against Hamas. You are keep ignoring that the main survival strategy of hamas is to make it impossible for Israel to attack hamas combatabts without attacking civilians too. The main cause (95-99%+) of civilians casualties is hamas strategy to maximize them as much as he can. And this is not aimed to convince you, but to the silent readers here anyway. You will keep thinking just as you do and nothing gonna change this, I know. @Lila9 The absurd festival is in its peak. Speaking of festivals, did you celebrated Tu Bishvat? Edited January 25, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 @zazen 2 hours ago, zazen said: 9 year old interview of Mark Regev regarding a strike on a UN shelter with many civilian casualties. Same old. Interesting that nobody wants to give a straight answer to an IDF shooting a person waving a white flag as a war crime and end up deflecting and dodging the question, and the large portion of them leaving the room before he gave his speech. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) @Bandman I think the low quality and style of your message speaks by itself (Edit: you erased this part ok) with all that I think your hard emotions are in the best case based on evidence only in the far edge cases (we speak about intentions here. Not outcome of casualities), they are still legitimate, and if you were to express your fears without the personal attack (edit: that you erased and thanks) maybe we could discuss. Edited January 25, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) @Nivsch Despite you not agreeing with a lot of views here, you exposing yourself to them on a daily basis shows good intention - especially as you don’t personally insult anyone. What can be annoying is how stubborn your biases can be but it gives some insight into an Israeli point of view which is good to have. One thing people need to be aware of is not personalising criticism of their governments which isn’t always easy. This threads gonna be hot this weekend after the ICJ hearing tomorrow lol Edited January 25, 2024 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 @zazen Ask yourself WHY Israelis are stubborn on the points you think they’re stubborn. If have the capacity to honestly answer that question, you’ll make your golden insight. Or just join-in on the hive mind spiraling further into the deepest of bias and mushy-mindedness. Your choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 Apparently Insulin pens pose a serious threat to the Zionist entity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 3 minutes ago, Vrubel said: @zazen Ask yourself WHY Israelis are stubborn on the points you think they’re stubborn. If have the capacity to honestly answer that question, you’ll make your golden insight. Or just join-in on the hive mind spiraling further into the deepest of bias and mushy-mindedness. Your choice. +1 ❤ 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) Palestinian shares horrifying memories after 40 days of Israeli captivity (youtube.com) How can a first world country treat other humans like this? This is beyond anything I have ever seen. This level of brutality towards innocent people. Even Hamas treated their hostages far better than this. This is reaching Nazi level shit honestly. I am ashamed the countries where i live have not canceled Israel for this level of devilry. @Nivsch How can you not feel angry when you see this? Being critical of your country when they do devilry is a pillar of democracy. Edited January 25, 2024 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 3 hours ago, Bandman said: @Nivsch the fact that you have the time to extensively post in this thread literally every single day since the attack, spouting the classic IDF propaganda narrative, makes me think you're the designated mossad propaganda actor for this forum. No, i dont think you should be allowed to kill tens of thousands of innocent civillians to end hamas. Yes hamas are pussies hiding between the people theyre supposed to be protecting. No that doesnt mean you can commit a genocide. The whole world is seeing Israel's horrible acts and nobody under the age of 35 is on its side anymore. If he was being paid to post the posts would be a bit better. 😀 I think he is a nice person, just a bit of an air head and a good example of the Israeli mind set. You can’t reason with these people, they are brainwashed since birth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 @Karmadhi You will have to add the link from where you think what you think. 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nivsch said: You will have to add the link from where you think what you think. What do you mean? He was detained for 40 days, clearly showing he is not a terrorist and did not kill Jews. If they had concerete proof he was he would have either been shot or sent to jail. Meanwhile he was released. Showing that there was no concerete evidence linking him to the attacks. Therefore he was innocent (you are innocent unless proven guilty) and was treated in this way. You can see it on his eyes and how he is shaking the hell he went through. What is there to discuss? There was footage of them being naked and stuff. This is medieval barbaric stuff. Reminds me of how Mongols shit. Basically they have reached Hamas level brutality. Even Hamas did not treat their POW like this. I never heard of any hostage treated like this. Edited January 25, 2024 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 51 minutes ago, Vrubel said: Ask yourself WHY Israelis are stubborn on the points you think they’re stubborn. Everyone has a story to tell. Most human suffering isn't written about in history books. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) @Karmadhi I mean I don't know about the case you talk about but I found myself articles now. Although IDF denies the claims about severe conditions, I could not understand many from that, because the wording is general and doesnt relate to the details Gazans claims about. I believe there is something in many claims but I can't say anything about specific conditions and the terror suspicion level of every one of those people. It sounds complicated. But, fair enough, from the articles seems to me that there are for sure problems in the arrests conditions and treatments. Every culture has its dark places, and if you want to critisize fairly you will compare every such claim to other parallel cases in another western countries. This doesn't exemp the Israeli system from responsibility to develop itself and improve, but your critisizm emotionality and sense of urgency is clearly a sign of an agenda, but you have a right to hold an agenda just as I do myself too. Edited January 25, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
