Posted November 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Israel is making fun of BBC bias, so accurately 😂 Eh it’s no seinfeld Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Israel is hated mainly because of irrational antisemitism. Most people are not anti semetic. Why would liberals be against Israel? Liberal green people are not anti semetic. They are anti oppression and anti bully and Israel is oppressive and an bully. According to Stage Green it is. Calling stage green antisemetic is horseshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Zionism has more in common with European nationalist movements Nationality is not religion. Do not confuse the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, hundreth said: They treat their own people exponentially worse than Israel treats the Palestinians I was saying that the Jewish minorities in Muslim countries get treated better than Palestinians in Israel. You do not need Jewish kids shot as target practice for fun or burned alive for no reason like you see happen in West Bank by the Israeli regime. Then people wonder why Hamas is so brutal. Israel taught them well. Edited November 16, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Most people are not anti semetic. Why would liberals be against Israel? Liberal green people are not anti semetic. They are anti oppression and anti bully and Israel is oppressive and an bully. According to Stage Green it is. Calling stage green antisemetic is horseshit. There is anti Israel and antisemitism from all the spiral, it's not limited to a particular stage. 20 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Nationality is not religion. Do not confuse the two. Jews are also an ethnic group, not only a religious group. This is why there are secular Jews who can be nationalist, aka, Zionists. Edited November 16, 2023 by Lila9 Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: Ok, so Israel won the war against the Arabs of Israel and other Arab countries in 1948. Is that mean that the abuse in form of terror towards Israeli civilians is justified because of that? Ok, you can call it a war if you want. Was it justified? 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: So what? I know there are 9 million+ Jews who say that Jews do belong to Israel. So what? ... You call people who are anti-Zionist anti-Semitic, and this is a silly flawed argument when you have ethnic Jews worldwide condemning Israel. Again, I am not judging the Israelis or the Palestinians. I want people (like you) to acknowledge that everyone has blood on their hands, and there isn't one side that is somehow morally superior or more right than the other. There is a powerful more developed side and a weaker less developed side, and the balance of power is playing out. It raises an interesting moral question, however. Do people who come from more powerful more developed countries have intrinsically more value as human beings than people who don't? People who support Israel are implicitly saying yes, the lives of Israelis are worth more than the lives of Palestinians. This is something that gets Stage Green very angry. Is the life of a pig worth more than a human? Some would say yes. They are honest and charming animals. That's why it is forbidden to eat them in Israel. Unless you are Christian living there. Christianity started with Jesus who was the alpha Jew. Morally superior in every way. Why do you think the Christians have been so successful in taking other people's land? It's the only explanation. Their best countries are the most powerful and most developed in the World, their lives are worth more than anyone else and they can do or have anything they want. Even pork. My UIM Stats: https://wiseoldman.net/players/1nfiniteMind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Karmadhi said: I was saying that the Jewish minorities in Muslim countries get treated better than Palestinians in Israel. You do not need Jewish kids shot as target practice for fun or burned alive for no reason like you see happen in West Bank by the Israeli regime. Then people wonder why Hamas is so brutal. Israel taught them well. What Jewish minorities? There are barely any Jews living in Muslim nations today. Take a guess why. As a Jew, there are many Islamic nations I cannot even visit for fear of being attacked, kidnapped or arrested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 8 hours ago, PurpleTree said: I’ve been to west bank they were mostly nice but a cab driver was harassing us a bit and trying to drive us further then we wanted for more money but most hospitable on the earth? Who is more hospitable? Did you eat food with them or be a guest at their home? Thats usually where the hospitality comes out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 @hundreth Your collective actions have consequences. When you say islamic countries would attack you if you visit I first all don't really believe you and secondly I dont immediately go into victim mode and shout anti semitism I say "well maybe they did something rotten to islamic countries" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) @Lila9 are you as concerned about anti-muslim sentiment as antisemitism? How have you opposed anti-Muslim sentiment in ur life? Edited November 16, 2023 by Jacob Morres Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: @hundreth Your collective actions have consequences. When you say islamic countries would attack you if you visit I first all don't really believe you and secondly I dont immediately go into victim mode and shout anti semitism I say "well maybe they did something rotten to islamic countries" Israeli passport holders are not allowed to enter Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen. And I think those countries won’t let you in if you are a foreigner and have a stamp in your passport stating that you visited Israel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: Israeli passport holders are not allowed to enter Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen. And I think those countries won’t let you in if you are a foreigner and have a stamp in your passport stating that you visited Israel. So all this justifies brutal treatment to Palestinians for 75 years? Maybe the Israelis don't deserve shit? If they love Israel so much why do they want to travel anyways? If they wanted land to roam around in why not make a state in USA which is super big? If ten countries are against you is it each one of those tens countries fault or is it you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said: @Lila9 are you as concerned about anti-muslim sentiment as antisemitism? How have you opposed anti-Muslim sentiment in ur life? The problem is victim mentality. Its weak. If someone is anti muslim I wouldn't even care haha. Besides personal identity is an illusion so someones thoughts against me doesn't have substantial reality Why be concerned with anything at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: So all this justifies brutal treatment to Palestinians for 75 years? Maybe the Israelis don't deserve shit? If they love Israel so much why do they want to travel anyways? If they wanted land to roam around in why not make a state in USA which is super big? If ten countries are against you is it each one of those tens countries fault or is it you? It’s pretty hard to reply to you. how many cones have you smoked? 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Merkabah Star said: It’s pretty hard to reply to you. how many cones have you smoked? 😀 Don't worry its rhetorical Nothing on this forum matters anyways. Doesn't seem like anyone even understands Leos teachings and he posts a video only once every while Leo has top tier teachings but it would be hard for people to keep up with him Man I wish I had some cones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 2:44 AM, Leo Gura said: Can you imagine being at that music festival tripping balls on LSD when these Hamas devils fly in on paragliders and start shooting at you, screaming Allahu Akbar! If you have an objective metric to decide that one party here is more moral, I'd love to hear it. Partying on the edge of a concentration camp and getting this outcome is not unpredictable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: If ten countries are against you is it each one of those tens countries fault or is it you? The Jihadists are exclusively superior to people who take drugs partying on the edge of a concentration camp. They're not superior to anyone else. Yes it's their "fault" for wanting to kill non-muslims since they chose to subscribe to a religion that recommends that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, hundreth said: What Jewish minorities? There are barely any Jews living in Muslim nations today. Take a guess why. As a Jew, there are many Islamic nations I cannot even visit for fear of being attacked, kidnapped or arrested. A great illustration to show anybody who will again say how only the palestinians were "kicked out". But even then, that won't convince him because the argument is a spiral dynamics war and not logical. Edited November 16, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: Man I wish I had some cones Same.. 🤡 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: A great illustration to show anybody who will again say how only the palestinians were "kicked out". But even then, that won't convince him because the argument is a spiral dynamics war and not logical. Worry not my brother, Jews will be welcome everywhere once again with the return of the turquoise alpha. יְישַׁר כֹּחַ My UIM Stats: https://wiseoldman.net/players/1nfiniteMind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
