Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: What happened to the Jews was horrible. Nobody denies that. But the Jewish people need to heal their collective trauma from what happened. For example were you personally ever in the holocaust? They have a collective trauma to heal as well. But they have already started their healing process by building a beautiful, democratic and progressive country with their own hands, which is a good start. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: They have a collective trauma to heal as well. But they have already started their healing process by building a beautiful, democratic and progressive country with their own hands, which is a good start. No it's because USA allows them to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said: You are saying that Palestinian people are fundamentally bad. Thats like anti-semitism No, I'm saying that other Arab countries don't want them because they make troubles in other Arab countries as well. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Israeli journalist Yonit Levi. 100% Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Bro half of them are children I wish those children will get an appropriate leadership for their future in Egypt/europe/both. In gaza it will be almost impossible at least how it seems right now. Israel is doing them good long term, although short term the situation for them is hard as they are now humen shield hamas forces them to be. Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Bro half of them are children Children are the most vulnarble population for such Islamic, anti Israel, radical ideas. Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lila9 said: No, I'm saying that other Arab countries don't want them because they make troubles in other Arab countries as well. So that is supposed to prove that they are the cause of drama in Israel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: Children are the most vulnarble population for such Islamic, anti Israel, radical ideas. Same could be said about children in Israel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Children are the most vulnarble population for such Islamic, anti Israel, radical ideas. Just the very fact those children are under hamas regime is enough to make them poor and misserable with no future, but of course the world doesn't speak about that. Pure hypocrisy. Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Lila9 said: They have a collective trauma to heal as well. But they have already started their healing process by building a beautiful, democratic and progressive country with their own hands, which is a good start. Part of that healing is stealing land from the West Bank and expelling people who have lived there for generations from their homes. a state of law does not do that, only a criminal state. Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Same could be said about children in Israel Children in Israel are educated to respect the different, to help others, to follow their dreams, to be independent. Children in gaza are educated to hate jews and to kill them. They are poor from age 0. "But Israel!" 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: Children in Israel are educated to respect the different, to help others, to follow their dreams, to be independent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Children in Israel are educated to respect the different, to help others, to follow their dreams, to be independent. Children in gaza are educated to hate jews and to kill them. They are poor from age 0. "But Israel!" Israel=Good Palestine=Bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: Part of that healing is stealing land from the West Bank and expelling people who have lived there for generations from their homes. a state of law does not do that, only a criminal state. Every country in the world does or did some amount of that. This is the nature of any country's existance. Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: Israelis aren't perfect. Can't you see the distinction between a place where such an organization, like the one responsible for this video, can actually exist and a place where it can't? It is a fundamental difference. There are intolerant people everywhere. The difference lies in the overall state of affairs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Every country in the world does or did some amount of that. This is the nature of any country's existance. Umm, no. No modern country, that is considered to be civilized does that. Can you give at least one example? 🌺🌺🌺 My Favourite Moderator 🌺🌺🌺 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: Every country in the world does or did some amount of that. This is the nature of any country's existance. This is different because Israel claims that it is doing nothing wrong and that the Palestinians are actually the problem. Literally right after Hitler did the exact same thing to Jews. Thats why this situation intrigues so many people because they have never seen anything like this Edited November 3, 2023 by Twentyfirst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, DawnC said: The difference lies in the overall state of affairs. All things considered, the overall state of affairs looks kind of grim at Israel right now, not gonna lie. 🌺🌺🌺 My Favourite Moderator 🌺🌺🌺 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 @Breakingthewall There is no point in arguing with them, they are blind and justifying shamelessly. "The wise seek wisdom, a fool has found it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) Members of the Israeli cabinet have said things along the lines of Palestinians are responsible sympathizers for Hamas implying they should all be dealt with - and that's in a democracy which represents the people of Israel more accurately than Hamas represents the Palestinian people. There hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006, when the 2006 election took place a large portion of the population didn't vote as they were underage or just being born. Those children born in 2006 are now 18 years old and had no say in that election yet are held to account. How can people lay blame to Palestinians for electing Hamas 18 years ago when majority didn't even elect them but from the other side can't see the genocidal degrading language of the the Israeli politicians who actually were elected into power in much recent times by Israelis themselves - yet say those far right politicians don't represent them? So yes, Israel is such a 'developed' nation with more of a representative democracy - and what does that representation reflect in the politicians they currently have? I think this whole paradigm of 'less developed' and 'more developed' glosses over the fact that the same dynamics can be taking place from any level of development, just in a different aesthetic/colour. A stage red society can kill with tools, a stage orange society can also kill but with a different more sophisticated set of tools - same dynamic and act (killing) but different manifestation and aesthetic. A stage green person can be a warrior the same way a stage red person can - their just a social justice warrior, but in the name of stage green values they can carry out similar injustices as a stage red tribal warrior. Edited November 3, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
