Posted November 3, 2023 45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: It seems like you don't understand it. I'll explain it to you again: the government of Israel said that Hamas intentionally and horribly killed and tortured children and babies, that it approached three-year-old children and tortured them. Then they said that they were human animals for it, and that revenge was necessary, then he started bombing civilians in Gaza. Don't you understand that they said that about torturing children to justify killing thousands of Palestinian children? but then the images from the terrorists' cameras were shown, and well...there is neither torture nor murder of children. For you this is very good, you don't want to think about it, whatever, but for me it is an important part of this matter Yes, Hamas murdered and burned babies alive. This was documented. https://www.livemint.com/news/world/babies-murdered-burned-by-hamas-monsters-israel-shares-photos-amid-war-11697128208963.html This article has a few of those photos. I'm not sure what you're on about honestly. Are you seriously skeptical of this? Seems like a ridiculous position to me and I'm not even sure why we're debating it. Go find the disturbing footage on your own, I'm not going to do the dirty work for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hundreth said: Yes, Hamas murdered and burned babies alive. This was documented. https://www.livemint.com/news/world/babies-murdered-burned-by-hamas-monsters-israel-shares-photos-amid-war-11697128208963.html This article has a few of those photos. I'm not sure what you're on about honestly. Are you seriously skeptical of this? Seems like a ridiculous position to me and I'm not even sure why we're debating it. Go find the disturbing footage on your own, I'm not going to do the dirty work for you. I think it's easy to understand: the Israeli government gathered a group of journalists, showed 45 minutes of recordings from the terrorists' personal cameras. they obviously included the worst scenes. Later these journalists narrated what they saw: shooting murders of adults. no torture, no children murdered. So the conclusion is that even if some guy from the IDF says that he saw torture, if hundreds, or thousands of terrorists have been killed and they all had cameras, if scenes of torture or murder of children have not been recovered, it means that this has not happened, or at least that there is not evidence of them Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 Just now, Breakingthewall said: I repeat it once again, it seems somewhat difficult to understand: the Israeli government gathered a group of journalists, read 45 minutes of recordings from the terrorists' personal cameras. they obviously included the worst scenes. Later these journalists narrated what they saw: shooting murders of adults. no torture, no children murdered. So the conclusion is that even if some guy from the IDF says that he saw torture, if hundreds, or thousands of terrorists have been killed and they all had cameras, if scenes of torture or murder of children have not been recovered, it means that this has not happened, or at least that there is not evidence of them What are you talking about? I literally showed you released photos of babies being murdered and burned released by Israel. Isn't that what you asked for? Even those journalists you're referring to, of course they aren't going to release that footage to the general public. Is that your criticism? Seems you don't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, hundreth said: What are you talking about? I literally showed you released photos of babies being murdered and burned released by Israel. Isn't that what you asked for? Even those journalists you're referring to, of course they aren't going to release that footage to the general public. Is that your criticism? Seems you don't understand. the babies could be burned by a bomb. It's not the same to throwing a bomb in a house than approaching a baby, pouring gasoline on it and burning it alive, which is what the Israeli government says human animals did. The journalists can't show anything, cameras wasn't allowed, but they can say exactly what they saw in the video that was shown to them. Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: the babies could be burned by a bomb. It's not the same to throwing a bomb in a house than approaching a baby, pouring gasoline on it and burning it alive, which is what the Israeli government says human animals did. The journalists can't show anything, cameras wasn't allowed, but they can say exactly what they saw in the video that was shown to them. Are you living in an alternate reality? Look at the photos. You've literally been handed what you asked for you, and you're like an ostrich with your head in the ground. There's plenty more out there, that's just the tip of the surface. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, hundreth said: Are you living in an alternate reality? Look at the photos. You've literally been handed what you asked for you, and you're like an ostrich with your head in the ground. There's plenty more out there, that's just the tip of the surface. I dont want to think what our 240 hostages are going through right now, who are in another dimension of internal terror every single moment, 100 times more than the gazaian (what justifies even more the invasion to begin with) but the hypocrite world doesn't care so much about that apparently. Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Israelis here? Let me know! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, hundreth said: Look at the photos. yes, photos of a burned baby. I don't know if you don't understand. I repeat: a baby burned in a house fire is not the same as intentionally torturing a baby. Now in Gaza there are thousands of burned babies, that's what happens when bombs are dropped. But if I go, I grab a baby, I pour gasoline on it, I burn it, it's different, the same as that story about how a girl's hands were cut off. Do you understand that it is in Israel's interest to make people believe that these things are real? And that being so, do you understand the stupidity of showing the American representative some photos of a burned baby? it does not make any sense. It may have been burned in a fire. Governments lie, did you know this? So, you should not believe everything they say in order to give more strength to what you would like to believe, you should investigate and try to see the truth. I think there weren't tortures , but if in any moment I see evidence that they happened, I will change my opinion 22 minutes ago, Nivsch said: I dont want to think what our 240 hostages are going through right now, who are in another dimension of internal terror every single moment, 100 times more than the gazaian (what justifies even more the invasion to begin with) but the hypocrite world doesn't care so much about that apparently. What does that have to do with trying to know if there was torture or not? Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said: No, I'm just trying to find out if the Israeli government is lying when they talk about torture, and if they are, understand why they lie Warning for everyone: Only click on this link if you have a stomach for brutal gore. [removed link by mod] Edited November 3, 2023 by Sincerity removed link to gore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 @Nivsch the world thinks that your government should release the 4 thousand political prisoners you are holding in jail, often without any trial or charge, in exchange for those hostages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 Just now, Breakingthewall said: yes, photos of a burned baby. I don't know if you don't understand. I repeat: a baby burned in a house fire is not the same as intentionally torturing a baby. Now in Gaza there are thousands of burned babies, that's what happens when bombs are dropped. But if I go, I grab a baby, I pour gasoline on it, I burn it, it's different, the same as that story about how a girl's hands were cut off. Do you understand that it is in Israel's interest to make people believe that these things are real? And that being so, do you understand the stupidity of showing the American representative some photos of a burned baby? it does not make any sense. It may have been burned in a fire. Governments lie, did you know this? So, you should not believe everything they say in order to give more strength to what you would like to believe, you should investigate and try to see the truth. What does that have to do with trying to know if there was torture or not? So you just refuse to see what is obvious. Honestly reprehensible. I'm no longer going to engage with you man, seriously bad faith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, zurew said: Warning for everyone: Only click on this link if you have a stomach for brutal gore. [removed link by mod] Breakingthewall will see these images and then tell you it wasn't a Hamas operative who brutally murdered them, those civilians accidentally tripped on some AK47s. Edited November 3, 2023 by Sincerity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, zurew said: Warning for everyone: Only click on this link if you have a stomach for brutal gore. [removed link by mod] I see, murders, I know that they shot to many. But I'm trying to know if there were torture. Edited November 3, 2023 by Sincerity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, hundreth said: Breakingthewall will see these images and then tell you it wasn't a Hamas operative who brutally murdered them, those civilians accidentally tripped on some AK47s. Man, I Know Hamas killed many, there are terrorist and they deserve to die, but Israeli government said that hamas tortured the civilians and killed babies intentionally, maybe they did, but I don't see evidence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 Just now, Breakingthewall said: Man, I Know Hamas killed many, there are terrorist and they deserve to die, but Israeli government said that hamas tortured the civilians and killed babies intentionally, maybe they did, but I don't see evidence You don't see that Hamas killed babies intentionally there? The multiple photos of babies burned alive in their cribs in an otherwise in tact room. The bloodied cribs with the baby still there and an otherwise in tact room? How about the "Burned body of a woman with bound hands"? That's not brutal or torturous enough? I'm seriously asking. Are you delusional? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) As per the guidelines, links to gore are not allowed. Please keep that in mind. Quote What’s NOT Allowed: Links to pornography, graphic violence, religious/political propaganda, etc. Also, please refrain from personal attacks. Keep it civil and conscious. If someone goes overboard please report the posts. Edited November 3, 2023 by Sincerity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sincerity said: As per the guidelines, links to gore are not allowed. Please keep that in mind. sorry, didn't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, zurew said: sorry, didn't know. No probs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, hundreth said: Burned body of a woman with bound hands"? Many Israeli civilians died while being taken hostage in the fight with the Israel army, could be the case, maybe was intentional but it's not sure, and it's only one case 10 minutes ago, hundreth said: You don't see that Hamas killed babies intentionally there? I see the body of one baby. I know they have killed many people. The photos shown are so that we can see their evil, and their evil is great, but there was no massacre of children because we would have seen the massacre of children, in each kibbutz there are many, and showing a crib with blood is not enough, and there was no torture because would have shown. There was murder, something terrible, but there was no torture or intentional murder of children and it has been said that there was this and my opinion is that there was not that Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said: Many Israeli civilians died while being taken hostage I see the body of a baby. I know they have killed many. The photos shown are so that we can see their evil, and their evil is great, but there was no massacre of children because we would have seen the massacre of children, in each kibbutz there are many, and showing a crib with blood is not enough, and there was no torture because would have shown. There was murder, something terrible, but there was no torture or intentional murder of children and it has been said that there was this and my opinion is that there was not that After the entire convo we had, and what you were shown... for you to still say that. If you were here in person I would sock you in the face. Unapologetically. Sorry mods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, hundreth said: After the entire convo we had, and what you were shown... for you to still say that. If you were here in person I would sock you in the face. Unapologetically. Sorry mods. Man. I want to know if they torture and kill babies intentionally, and I don't see evidence of that because there aren't. If you are very emotional, good for you, but I want to see the truth, not feed emotions Again, all the terrorists had camera, if there were torture, there are documented. If they didn't show to the journalists, there weren't tortures, regardless your emotions I think the terrorists of Hamas deserve to die for doing that, but don't forget that a lot of babies are dying in Gaza, for example, one hour ago a hospital has been bombed Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
