Leo Gura

Mega-Thread Of Every Trap Within Self-Help & Spirituality

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The "it's never enough" when it comes to psychedelic dosing and peer pressuring people to take more and more and equating it with more spiritual enlightenment, ignoring individual differences with sensitivity and safety considerations.

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1.  Law of Attraction/Law of Assumption does not prepare people for death.

The Law of Attraction/Law of Assumption ignores death almost entirely. They are a denial that "bad things" DO happen...and WILL happen. It doesn't matter how great of a manifestor you are, the human body will most likely die. And the houses, money, and relationships that you manifested will change form one day.

2. The Radical Non-Duality community avoids seeing the Shadow of the psyche:
The message of radical non-duality says that "it doesn't matter if there is an apparent person who is angry, bitter, dreaming or sees seperation etc. it's all the absolute. There is no one who is angry. There is no one who is bitter. There is no one who is dreaming.  There is no one who feels seperate. It is all just happening. "

In the satsangs, I sometimes see the teachers loosing patience with people, showing signs of narcissism and pride, pursung their own survival strategies and self security etc.. But according to radical non-duality.... you don't need to do any shadow work, heal anything or be aware of anything ..... because it's "all just happening. It's all the absolute." So anything goes.

They mock spiritual practices and healing work while simultaneously saying "even shadow work is allowed, even healing is allowed, everything is allowed".

In the Sam Harris interview, Jim Newman said that he gets mad at bad drivers on the road. And that anger still arises in him after liberation.

But in my opinion, and I think Sam Harris' as well, this anger at bad drivers is conditioning that can be changed through spiritual practices and meditation .... so why not teach this as well? 

Why choose to live forever with the habit of anger at bad drivers?

I can hear all of the typical non-duality responses in my head:

"Conditioning is what arises in THIS for no one.  There is no person to forgive. There is no right or wrong. There is no person to meditate. There is no one to teach.  There is no do-er or choice. There is no time and no one who lives in time. Habits just arise in this for no one, there is no one who has a habit. There is no habit. There is just this. There is no anger. Anger is just a concept.  There are no drivers." 

haha

3.Saying positive affirmations are still ego and puffing up of the self image. 

Anything that you add after I AM __________ and I HAVE ____________  is puffing up the self image. It doesn't matter how positive it is.

- I am awareness-  adding to the self image

- I am consciousness - adding to the self image

- I am God - adding to the self image

- I have a beautiful new house - adding to the self image

- I am a good person - adding to the self image

- I have amazing friends - adding to the self image

- I am happy - adding to the self image

- I have a high vibration - adding to the self image

4. When people are spiritual bypassing, it's not always the kindest thing to force them into seeing their shadows. Sometimes spiritual bypassing is what they need at that time.

Which kind of contradicts with my #2. haha

Shadow work is an endless pile of digging into crap.

And so I think there should be more compassion for people who spiritually bypass.

People are spiritually bypasing because shadow work is painful and seemingly unending.

Sometimes people just want to fall asleep in the boat of heaven.... even if there are holes all over the boat.

5. Western teachers often grab some parts of the Eastern teaching and then combine it with Western values

It's not that Eastern teachings are untouchable. It's just that our western versions are not always an improvement on them.

Instead of trying to focus on "what is true?" we often focus on "how to make this relatable to people?" and relatable is not always synonymous with truth.

Edited by Brittany

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Thinking videos are enough and the same as reading books.  Even if the videos and the books are about the same thing.  


"Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"   --   Marry Poppins

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2 hours ago, Brittany said:

1.  Law of Attraction/Law of Assumption does not prepare people for death.

Nail on the head! :x

point number 2 is basically waking up vs cleaning up a la Ken Wilber, think somebody already mentioned it.

I appreciated your comment a lot. Breathes wisdom.

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1. Being set in your ways / close-mindedness

2. Not caring about growth at all / staying in your comfort zone / complacency

3. Not seeking help / thinking you can do everything alone

4. Having no direction in your life / lack of purpose (doesn't have to be realized yet)

5. Not embracing challenge / wishing things to be easy

6. Giving up on life / losing hope

7. Not having fun with life / taking life too seriously

8. Not taking life seriously enough / wasting time doing things that don't matter

9. Living in fear / not having courage to take necessary action

10. Not mastering anything / being "paralyzed" by all the options that you end up dabbling too much

11. Neglecting body health / eating poorly

12. Seeking approval from others

13. Hedonism

14. Asking poor quality questions / not asking questions at all

15. Not setting boundaries with people / Not respecting yourself or your time

16. Having no integrity

17. Taking everything personally / thinking everything is about you

18. Wasting hours and hours on social media

19. Not respecting psychedelics (eyeballing, overdosing, etc.)

20. Doing spirituality but neglecting basic human survival (having a job/career, paying bills, schoolwork, etc.)

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6 hours ago, Loving Radiance said:

This thread reads like my biography :D

I might just print it off and sell it as my own jk jk ;)

I like when I read in a Vernon Howard book he said "It's good to see the bad in yourself"

another good one is -

1. Being fooled by peoples ‘spiritual’ outward appearance 

2. not realizing people are splintered 

Edited by Thought Art

"I would rather be wrong, than live in the shadow of your song. Now my mind is open wide, and now I'm ready to Star(t)!" - Arcade Fire "Ready to Start"

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Obsession of avoiding traps and striving for some perceived perfection. 

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- Not being skeptical enough (about others teachings as well as your own mind)

- Not investigating the Truth for yourself / Just blindly believing the teachings

- Seeing the Ego / Mind as an evil enemy

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Also:

- Being TOO skeptical and thus and not being open-minded enough :D

- getting lost in stories about aliens, angels and so on.

- Believing that everything is "energy" (instead of conciousness / love)

- Not letting go of the materialist paradigm (conciousness needs a brain to appear, etc)

- Developing a spirtual ego

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- Thinking you only need to Awaken, and then do no more personal development work (Not working on the Stages)

- Believing after one big enlightment experience, that you have it all figured out now

- Misinterpreting an Awakening (Believing only You are God and no one else, Believing Christianity is the only true religion because you saw Jesus, etc)

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- Not contemplating Nihilism until the end / Not seeing that because everything is empty, its actually the greatest opportunity for your life

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Going full Conor Murphy. Never go full Conor Murphy ;)


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believe that spirituality is a science that must be learned little by little, from different teachers, progressing every day. believing that you are level 2 dan that you are much better than those who are in their first year, but that you are still very far from your teacher who wears monk clothes and always has a beatific smile, but who already admits you in his circle, and be very proud of it. to think that you are still far away but that thanks to your hard work you are getting closer, when you are walking in circles feeding your ego because you ve not balls to jump to the abyss 

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Not using common sense.

 

 

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some more based on Leo’s “Full Murphy” comment 
 

1. Thinking you are the chosen one or that you are being called to do something for God like win a grand tournament 

2. Taking psychedelics and live streaming yourself to friends and family or clients

3. Thinking that taking a psychedelic means a permanent change in “physically reality” and the workings on the world 🌎 

4. Letting your fantasies run your spirituality instead of deconstructing them

5. Abusing psychedelics 

6. Not listening to wiser more grounded people telling you that you are ungrounded and unwell

7. Not going slow and building a foundation of habits, epistemology etc

8. Confusing spiritual work with non-stop fun, ecstasy and excitement 

9. Trying to make a show of yourself 

10. Thinking you are Jesus or that you are here to pull some kind of wild stunts to awaken man kind

11. Thinking you can tell the future of some kind of divine awakening or mass event or divine plan 

12. Thinking that being loving means giving always all your money and losing healthy boundaries and security to others (Conor gave his banking information away to the public)

13. Abusing others in the name of your spiritual schemes

14. Losing connection to reality and the social constructions and culture which you are a part of

15. letting your ego and mental health issues run you and destroy your career, reputation, and financial health.

16. Ignoring the warnings that material is “advanced, I mean ADVANCED”  

17. thinking you can go from low conscious sex and prank videos to high level spiritual teacher in just a few short weeks, months or days

18. Thinking you are ready to teach when you are very clearly mentally ill

19. As Leo would put it “Making a Mockery of this work”

20. Losing connection to the long term consequences of your actions 

21. saying you are following “such and such” teaching, when really you have bastardized it into some sick form of zen devilry 

… a spiritual person does by not doing. 

and I think an important one… Yes, even if in your past you have gone “Full Conor Murphy” or even partially “Murphy”…

Keep going, work through that shame and embarrassment, learn from your lesson, become a better person, learn from the mistakes, love yourself, forgive yourself, ground yourself, acknowledge your evil, deluded, selfish, self deceptive ways…. Then, 

Continue to work on yourself and build a life of wisdom, integrity, consciousness and principles.

Past mistakes and bad behaviour is no excuse not to work on yourself not love yourself or your path.

Others may have gone “Full Murphy” and we’d be naming it after them. So, alchemize this bad thing into a good thing. Sometimes showing the world what not to do, can be good. Unfortunately for Conor is he was famous. Many of us here working through our own deluded bullshit have the luck of being nobodies. Let’s not kick Conor around for too long.

 

We want to see Conor be stable, healthy and successful helping the world in whatever way he chooses. Seems he is moving his brand towards helping people get over social anxiety.

And always remember that “I” love you and that “I” want what is best for you and all whom you touch in this life.
 

Forever forgiven, forever loved and forever understood. This love is unconditional. 

Put human relation is not. 

Personally, I was a bit ungrounded a year or two ago and found being able to watch Conor go through his shit was helpful in grounding me and what not to do. I followed him very closely and I actually warned the forum that he was. Zen Devil when he was commenting here months before his break downs really took off. 
 

It was this that inspired me to… slow down with my life purpose. Study new forums of spiritual practice like Qigong. Learn accounting and marketing, and build my life a better foundation and continue with the readings, the contemplations, the observing, the cleaning out of fantasy and shadow materials, that grounding in wisdom, consciousness and principles. 
 

I am not yet wise. But, each day I lay a stone in its name. 

Edited by Thought Art

"I would rather be wrong, than live in the shadow of your song. Now my mind is open wide, and now I'm ready to Star(t)!" - Arcade Fire "Ready to Start"

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  1. Deceivingly switching between absolute and relative perspectives.

  2. The “I-don’t-exist-or-have-control-therefore-I’ll-lay-in-my-bed-all-day” attitude.
Edited by Inception

“The unexamined life is not worth living” - Socrates

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Being closed. Assuming you already know. Taking easy or basic stuff for granted as if you already knew its full implications. 

Confusing knowing the theory with actual practice. 

Being too abstract and conceptual, not being grounded.


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Another trap is when you deconstruct your mind... when it becomes groundless you end up stepping on false stones.. this could lead to going "fully murphy".


"I would rather be wrong, than live in the shadow of your song. Now my mind is open wide, and now I'm ready to Star(t)!" - Arcade Fire "Ready to Start"

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Posted (edited)

  • Idolizing a teacher. Not expanding your information intake's sources. Being too quick to believe someone you admire
  • Not following any teacher's advice, being too individualistic, overrating your skills as a beginner
  • Feeling a need to fill your plate full with activities and knowledge. Avoiding silence and stillness. Thinking that "more is more" xD
  • Instantly dismissing counterintuitive answers and solutions
  • Being a liar. The more you progress, the more you realize you're full of shit
  • Assuming consciousness work happens "elsewhere", instead of in your life and experience as it is now
  • Taking hard-won knowledge for granted (it can also be minor, subtle or abstract)
  • Not recognizing the healing power of simple awareness (like becoming aware of the root of an emotion or behavior)
  • Holding pragmatism and gross achievement and things as the greatest values
Edited by UnbornTao

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