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The 5-MeO-DMT Mega-Thread

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7 hours ago, okulele said:

It's probably been asked, but is both freebase and HCL ok for plugging?

Freebase plugs just fine, just as easy as HCl.

It does not burn at all.

Freebase is actually slightly more potent per same volume.

I highly recommend plugging freebase.

If you need help dissolving it, just add a few drops of ordinary household vinegar before adding water.

Freebase actually dissolves easier than oxalate.

Freebase is thus the best form of 5-MeO since it both vapes and plugs great.

Although maybe oxalate stores better. Not sure but my guess is that oxalate will store forever. That stuff looks invincible!


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7 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

@Leo Gura if you had to distill the proper way to do 5-MeO, what would that be? What would you do and not do? 

  • Indoors, alone, quiet room
  • Serious yet positive mood
  • Empty stomach
  • Empty bowels, plug 10-30mg
  • Keep eyes open and sit upright as the trip starts to hit full force
  • Sit still, don't walk around
  • Contemplate what you/God/consciousness/reality is

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@Leo Gura why do you want to keep eyes closed?

If you feel you need to go on the floor because its so much once the trip starts, do you want to resist that urge and “take it” or do you go down?

I tend to have a really anxious body even when I meditate I think largely cause of my ADHD (but also unconscious tension and trauma). Do you think the anxious twitchy isn’t something worth sweating? 

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I go eyes closed, lying flat on my back on the floor (shavasana). That works really well for me. I like lying down because it allows me to completely release any tension in my body, and I like closed eyes because for me, I'm able to go deeper.

Not to contradict Leo, because he's obviously the expert here, just what I've found works for me.


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@outlandish I imagine that eyes closed will be helpful in that you’re not looking elsewhere and letting yourself get lost in dualistic distractions.

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I have done a few eyes closed and a few eyes open on 30mg. For me, they are just different. Some on Shavasana, some sited.  One I did completely eyes closed in the middle of the night and on top of that I put the mindfold mask, at the end of this trip I felt like the rotation of planets or something around my face and a few other sensations. Once I plan to do on Shavasana  ON EYES OPEN but I gave in to the sensation of needing to poop and went to the bathroom and I went infinite in the toilet and after the peak I went to the shower and was "vomiting"( nothing physical)  for some time and after that I was 100% on the bliss body that Sadhguru speaks on this video. That state of bliss body is absolutely incredible. I have attained it 2 or 3 times. I will keep doing them with eyes open because I feel them a lot more profound.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, kieranperez said:

why do you want to keep eyes closed?

I said eyes open!

Open your eyes when you read ;)

Look, I'm just giving you my way. Your way may not be my way. Do whatever you want.

The fact that you consider the world of form "a dualistic distraction" is precisely why I'm telling you to keep your eyes open. So your visual field can be recontextualized into Nothing.


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3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I said eyes open!

Open your eyes when you read ;)

Look, I'm just giving you my way. Your way may not be my way. Do whatever you want.

It was a typo

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1 minute ago, kieranperez said:

It was a typo

In that case open your eyes when you write :P


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14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In that case open your eyes when you write :P

But Leo... you’re talking about writing! There’s no one to write! That’s just more ego!! 

Lol jk just trying to develop the siddhi where I type with my mind. Almost got it down. 

Watchi it little mister or no Rolls Royce’s for you :P 

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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Freebase plugs just fine, just as easy as HCl.

It does not burn at all.

Freebase is actually slightly more potent per same volume.

I highly recommend plugging freebase.

If you need help dissolving it, just add a few drops of ordinary household vinegar before adding water.

Freebase actually dissolves easier than oxalate.

Freebase is thus the best form of 5-MeO since it both vapes and plugs great.

Although maybe oxalate stores better. Not sure but my guess is that oxalate will store forever. That stuff looks invincible!

Great news, thanks.


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From Martin Ball's book "The Entheological Paradigm"

God's prescription.jpg

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Trip # 9 , smoked. 14 mgs freebase

Insights:

> What is. 

That was the first english words that came to mind after breaking through to non duality. Even in afterglow, I could close my eyes and connect to the source of it all. As everything is imagined. But holy smokes. Each trip DOES build on the last. Just when you think you've gone beyond infinity, you go farther. It is complete freedom. Complete bliss. 

Beforehand:

Lots of fear at even the thought of plugging MEO. Decided I would smoke it again, and fear was still there. Decided to smoke it and face my fear anyways. Brushed my teeth. Showered. Wanted to "be clean" entering gods house. Also last week I bought a $620 laboratory scale on Kijiji (similar site to Craigslist up here in Canada) for $200.  Quite the fine investment knowing my dose (and all future doses of whatever substance) is/will be accurate. 

Meditated before hand and contemplated love. It's day 113 of mediation. (The number 13 and 24 are significant to me) 13 = 6+7 (devil + god) and 24 is a cycle. So the "numbers" lined up. Even tho non of it matters, as per usual :)

Right before the hoot (sandwiched in mullein leaves) contemplated love some more and repeated "whatever happens will happen, I surrender, show me what I need to see"


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44 minutes ago, nowimhere said:

Also last week I bought a $620 laboratory scale on Kijiji (similar site to Craigslist up here in Canada) for $200.

A $1 dollar microscoop is easier and dare I say even more accurate.

Scales are so overrated. Mircoscoops are the way to go when dosing tiny amounts.


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Microscoops are problematic without proper calibration, here's why:

Microscoops are labelled "5mg" "10mg" and so on, but that doesn't mean they will scoop 5mg or 10mg of 5-MeO-DMT. You need to calibrate them to find out how much a scoop of a given powder weighs, and in order to do that, you need a scale, or at least reference someone else's calibration with the exact same batch of the exact same product - as powders can vary in density depending on batch and form.

@Leo Gura please please mention this when you recommend these microscoops, otherwise you're gonna have people underdosing/overdosing from erroneously measuring their doses by the label on the scoop. It will just amplify confusion when you get people making this mistake and reporting doses on here.

A $30 American Weigh scale is more than accurate enough for stuff in the milligram range, and will work consistently on all of the tryptamines in all their forms and batches. A $620 lab scale will absolutely be more dependable than scoops.


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37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A $1 dollar microscoop is easier and dare I say even more accurate.

Scales are so overrated. Mircoscoops are the way to go when dosing tiny amounts.

Different substances have different molecular weight/per volume . For example DPT will be a different weight than 5 MEO per volume. 

Freebase will have a different weight than HCL per same volume. 

But hey, if it works for you it works for you! :)

I found scoops for like $50 on amazon (you Americans get everything cheaper lol)  So just wanted to invest in a good quality scale, as I'll also be building my own nootropic stacks. Which will also have different weight per (nootropic) compared to MEO. I think it was a damn good investment. But again, if scoops work for you, that's great too. 

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Of course microscoop measurements are all relative per substance.

What you do is start with a 1 scoop dose. See how that feels for you, then bump it up to 1.5 or 2 scoops next time.

Of course this has to be done each time anew for each new substance.

Once you are familiar with your substance, counting in terms of scoops rather than milligrams becomes easy and accurate.

There are few substances that I have heard of where one 10mg microscoop will be way too much. Especially if you're plugging it.

I have found milligram scales to be not sensitive enough. I can throw 10mg on the scale, then double that dose and it will still say 10mgs!


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17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have found milligram scales to be not sensitive enough. I can throw 10mg on the scale, then double that dose and it will still say 10mgs!

Haha fair enough !  With all the research I did on a LOT of scales, included the AWS that everyone loves here had a >0.005 discrepancy. 

This is why I said fuck it and just bought a laboratory scale, with no discrepancies. Also, I found that 1mg makes a big difference, and the only way to correctly weigh that is with a scale. So just got the absolute best one I could find. (And got a deal on it.. bonus !)

I understand how not everyone will be able to afford a laboratory scale. It was just too good a deal (talked the guy down from the $250 he was offering for) to pass up. So I went for it. And I'm happy with that investment. I'll have it for all psychedelics moving forward. 

But again, since that's not a option for everyone , I can see how you suggest scoops. That also makes sense. 

Scales aside...

@Leo Gura After your non duality breakthrough (imagination edition) has your opinion on the "law of attraction" changed?

I found with this trip "I" was able to go "into" the godhead more, with more intention, using only "my" imagination. And in afterglow confirmed the power of the law of attraction. At least, that was "my" experience. 

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