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Pentagon Confirms New UFO Video

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1 hour ago, dlof said:

Well this is like 100 people in your town seeing what they thought are Black Mambas, including your Zoologist friend who confirms they did indeed see a Black Mamba. If you doubt that anyone other than the Zoologist saw it, that would be pretty weird. The likelyhood would be that the vast majority of them were seeing Black Mambas since the Zoologist confirms that at least one is around town.

I'd counter that the situation being analogous to the vast majority of people in the area where I live having zero experience with snakes, and being unable to differentiate a Black Mamba from a dozen other species of similar looking North American Snakes at a glance. 

Could a Black Mamba have somehow made its way from another continent to North America, or have escaped captivity? It's certainly possible. If a rumor of such was spreading about, I would expect quite a few false positives from people who have no particular expertise in the type of phenomena they're trying to identify.

Likewise, do I trust that most ordinary people to correctly identify that the small blob in the sky is actually a UFO and not an optical illusion caused by something more conventional? Not so much.

Just because I'm willing to give the guy who has flown jets for 18 years a lot more credibility when he speaks about a strange encounter he had, doesn't automatically extend credibility to every person who interprets a blob they saw in the sky as an alien.

Or to put it another way: aliens might exist, but that doesn't mean that the vast majority of sightings aren't false positives.

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They are there, I pray for your lower back my friends.

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8 hours ago, DocWatts said:

UFO sightings occur under what I'll charitably call suboptimal viewing conditions; at the very least there's a lot of room for ambiguity (leaving aside the cases that have been debunked).

Actually many UFO sightings are crystal clear to the people who report them.

Suboptimal viewing conditions is again a thing you made up. Seeing a commerical jet fly over your house at 30,000 ft is not a suboptimal viewing condition.

6 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

 but then they smear them with those debunked videos. Why? The media should stop showing those fucking videos.

Nothing has been debunked.

Your debunking is bunk itself.


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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Actually many UFO sightings are crystal clear to the people who report them.

Suboptimal viewing conditions is again a thing you made up. Seeing a commerical jet fly over your house at 30,000 ft is not a suboptimal viewing condition.

Yeah but i've also been on jets, and are familiar enough with them to place that object moving in a strait line at 30,000 feet in to a context that I can make sense of.

Now who can say that they have anything approaching a comparable level of familiarity about something from another world made with alien tech?

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You guys seem to not understand how science works. Scientific knowledge and theories are often provisional, incomplete, uncertain, and wrong. Yet that doesn't stop them from being seriously made and even taught in universities.

To say that UFOs are likely aliens is a perfectly scientific theory. This isn't some dogma to be held. It's a theory to be tested.


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I don't know if this is related, but I actually felt this and thought it was an earthquake.

 

"Mystery shaking felt, boom heard across San Diego County for third time in 2021"

"For the third time since February, a mysterious “skyquake” rattled San Diego County and Tijuana; authorities say it wasn’t an earthquake"

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-06-08/mystery-shaking-felt-boom-heard-across-san-diego-county-for-third-time-in-2021


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3 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

I don't know if this is related, but I actually felt this and thought it was an earthquake.

 

"Mystery shaking felt, boom heard across San Diego County for third time in 2021"

"For the third time since February, a mysterious “skyquake” rattled San Diego County and Tijuana; authorities say it wasn’t an earthquake"

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-06-08/mystery-shaking-felt-boom-heard-across-san-diego-county-for-third-time-in-2021

Underground nuke testing?

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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

To say that UFOs are likely aliens is a perfectly scientific theory. This isn't some dogma to be held. It's a theory to be tested.

I don't disagree with this. I may be more skeptical about the efficacy of eyewitness accounts, but aliens as a provisional Theory to be tested seems reasonable.

My disagreement stems less with the theory itself, and more with jumping to premature conclusions from data which is at this point highly ambiguous and interpretable.

I guess I would liken it somewhat to someone declaring that String Theory is "correct", rather than a highly provisional framework that's yet to be verified in a substantial way (and just be incorrect and the wrong way of looking st the problem).

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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a theory to be tested.

If you had all the resources that you needed, how would you test it? 

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14 minutes ago, Opo said:

If you had all the resources that you needed, how would you test it? 

Grab some binoculars and a lawn chair and sit around military bases and nuclear missile silos.

This is otherwise known as the advance science of birdwatching.


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29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Grab some binoculars and a lawn chair and sit around military bases and nuclear missile silos.

This is otherwise known as the advance science of birdwatching.

I had that thought a couple of hours ago. 

But then I thought that I'm being an idiot and wasting my time so I moved on. 

One day I'll do it.

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1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

I don't know if this is related, but I actually felt this and thought it was an earthquake.

 

"Mystery shaking felt, boom heard across San Diego County for third time in 2021"

"For the third time since February, a mysterious “skyquake” rattled San Diego County and Tijuana; authorities say it wasn’t an earthquake"

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-06-08/mystery-shaking-felt-boom-heard-across-san-diego-county-for-third-time-in-2021

The earth shakes.. It must be aliens. Definitive evidence of aliens.

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Grab some binoculars and a lawn chair and sit around military bases and nuclear missile silos.

This is otherwise known as the advance science of birdwatching.

Then do it. Someone do it.


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21 minutes ago, Opo said:

But then I thought that I'm being an idiot and wasting my time so I moved on.

That's the cost of doing science.


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9 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

Then do it. Someone do it.

Would you believe me? 

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22 minutes ago, Opo said:

Would you believe me? 

No I wouldn't.


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1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:

The earth shakes.. It must be aliens. Definitive evidence of aliens.

Then do it. Someone do it.

The earth wasn’t shaking.   It was a sky quake.  


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6 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The earth wasn’t shaking.   It was a sky quake.  

Sky or earth, doesn't matter.


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Posted (edited)

This was pretty interesting New York Post interview, not a lot of new information about UFOs per se, but more about how military personnel handle this topic in their minds. At around 14:30 Lue tells how one senior personnel wanted him to stop digging into the topic as he (in his Spiral Dynamics stage blue framework) deemed UFOs as demonic. There is also a link to Part 2 in the video description.

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Ufos are a real phenomenon if you dig seriously enough.

 

What they can be is 4 things:

  • Secret technologies
  • Time travel from the future
  • Interdimensional machine
  • Aliens

 

Considering all the crazy things we've heard of as soon as the 50s, I wouldn't bet on the first case that much.

Stop the copium ?


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It is the art of living fully

 

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24 minutes ago, Shin said:

What they can be is 4 things:

  • Secret technologies
  • Time travel from the future
  • Interdimensional machine
  • Aliens

You forgot:

  • Weather balloons
  • Swamp gases

;)


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