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@Nahm thanks All beautiful.. "understood" and appreciated. 

The reason I made this thread (and a lot about the same topic in the past). Because I really Believe Leo got something wrong with this "appearances" metaphysics.  It's confusing you can see a lot here preach this solipsism mentality.   

Leo thinks "where have you ever encountered anything underneath appearances"?  ...  And I'm like But Leo why do you need to encounter it to know it's real?  The whole point is that if there is something underneath appearances you can't find it as an appearance!!  🤷‍♂️. 

Anyways screw this is just me lol.  Have a nice day too bro. 


Silence is the highest teaching. 

 

 

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@Someone here

Freakin love ya and I hear you. All I can say it live & let live. Let everyone else ride their ride, and, if interested, plunge deeper and deeper into yourself & far less what anyone else says. You essentially have to pick your intention...is it debunking someone, or realizing the answer to your inquiry for yourself, even if every person on earth says you’re wrong and an arrogant prick. Lol. ‘Who’ cares.  Love will indeed wash it all out in any & every case. You might consider (not trying to stir a pot lol) in the physical regard, it’s not (presently) possible for you to ‘quantum entangle’ from point a to point b 100 miles away. Yet, in regard to metaphysical realizations, it is possible (with psychedelics) to be at point a and be at point b, but not experienced the 100 miles that were in between. This is nothing personal, on anyone’s behalf. Just some guy’s two cents. 

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@Nahm nah my intention is not to debunk someone for the sake of getting a "kick" out it . I only care about what's true. Nothing against Leo personally he is my role mode lol l. Also people have really different orientations. Just like how Sexual orientations are different. also what you care about in general. If you care about how you feel primarily . I care about existential understanding. Some people couldn't care less about it. To each his own I guess.  And this diversity is here to teach us humility and open-mindedness. No serious conflicts. Just discussing.. Sharing.. Expanding perspectives.. Growth. For everyone 😀


Silence is the highest teaching. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Dodo said:

Yeah what I was pointing! 

But maybe a bit more radical. Is it possible to surrender to never knowing?  Like even if you know, even if you're the biggest being in the universe that knows it all, how complete is this being if it doesn't have the simplest truth, that it will never know what is beyond itself.

What if there are infinitely many all that isnesses? Infinitely many absolute infinities? We don't know, the Absolute knows it doesn't know, so lets allign with that true knowledge <3

This could all be one dot out of infinitely many dots and we are seeing the dot as complete and all that is, but don't see the motherboard beyond seeing.

Yah and this would also include not knowing that you can know what you don’t think could ever be known. 

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1 hour ago, Nahm said:

@Someone here

Freakin love ya and I hear you. All I can say it live & let live. Let everyone else ride their ride, and, if interested, plunge deeper and deeper into yourself & far less what anyone else says. You essentially have to pick your intention...is it debunking someone, or realizing the answer to your inquiry for yourself, even if every person on earth says you’re wrong and an arrogant prick. Lol. ‘Who’ cares.  Love will indeed wash it all out in any & every case. You might consider (not trying to stir a pot lol) in the physical regard, it’s not (presently) possible for you to ‘quantum entangle’ from point a to point b 100 miles away. Yet, in regard to metaphysical realizations, it is possible (with psychedelics) to be at point a and be at point b, but not experienced the 100 miles that were in between. This is nothing personal, on anyone’s behalf. Just some guy’s two cents. 

Love will wash it all away whether you're in allignment with love or not, love will accept if you're out if allignment, but then you wll need 5-MeO-DMT 

There is nothing that is missing as you are suggesting, what is missing is allignment with truth. 

Not 5meo.

You can say anything and repeat love, and send love etc but that is not true allignment., not true love. 

You're having a joke if you think that love sounds and feels like the vibes of your texts of holier than thou. 

Enter the godheart and repeat the mantra, see how you feel

"I DONT KNOW I don't know i don't know i don't know" 

Repeat it until you understand. Do it until tears start streaming down your face.

You don't have to prove anything to me. But prove to yourself and unearth the assumptions.

Divine masculine is nothing without the divine feminine. There are no parrots, there are alligned and not alligned.

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1 hour ago, Dodo said:

Love will wash it all away whether you're in allignment with love or not, love will accept if you're out if allignment, but then you wll need 5-MeO-DMT 

There is nothing that is missing as you are suggesting, what is missing is allignment with truth. 

Not 5meo.

You can say anything and repeat love, and send love etc but that is not true allignment., not true love. 

You're having a joke if you think that love sounds and feels like the vibes of your texts of holier than thou. 

Enter the godheart and repeat the mantra, see how you feel

"I DONT KNOW I don't know i don't know i don't know" 

Repeat it until you understand. Do it until tears start streaming down your face.

You don't have to prove anything to me. But prove to yourself and unearth the assumptions.

Divine masculine is nothing without the divine feminine. There are no parrots, there are alligned and not alligned.

It seems as if you have misunderstood and projected, in responding to a comment that was not even to you yet again. I am not suggesting anything is missing - you are saying that. I am not suggesting 5meo is needed - you are saying that. I am not suggesting there is that which is not true love - you are saying that. I’m not suggesting anyone is holier than thou - you are saying that. I am not suggesting anyone has anything to prove to anyone else, nor to themself - you are saying that. I’m not suggesting there is a divine masculine & feminine - you are saying that. I understand how you read what I wrote (to someone else) and interpreted as you did. I am merely pointing out, that you did this. You can see in a plain evident sense that you are doing this, because you are resorting to talking about ‘me’, in charector accusations, etc, rather than commenting to the topic at hand. It seems you have a whole ‘scene’ of ‘Nahm & his 5meo, him saying ‘something is missing’, him believing he’s ‘holier than thou’, etc, etc, etc. None of it is accurate, none of it is what was said. 

On 10/20/2020 at 10:22 AM, Dodo said:

 @Nahm No dude lol its just that I don't bother too much replying if the person didn't bother too much being clear as possible about what he is talking about 😊

That's a dead end answer. It can and it can't. Lol. Even the poor Al has no clue. 

 

@Someone Here I am with you all the way. I smell devilry from a mile away. It's all about confusion and absolute flashy statements that you would be a fool not to accept. 

Can take the milk from their responses and remove the poison they are trying, unconsciously, to administer. 

Its important to know they really believe they are correct. That's their identity now.

You're woke.

Same thingy here. Notice, you’re not interested (in this comment like the other) in adding anything to the topic, but in attacking me, making accusations about me, etc. This is just advice, but dude, I am telling you you’ll be infinite being forever. Relationships are sensitive, most fleeting, and imo, most precious. You can continue making accusations of me all you like, and I hope it’s some sort of relief. 

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5 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Bud, he has a clearer understanding than 'you'.

“The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance – it is the illusion of knowledge.” - Daniel J. Boorstin

You have built up this illusory concept that you are in some way a reliable source on these subjects...

All you have done is adopted someone else's beliefs, identified with the thought that these are the end-all-be-all (TRUTH). 

All I'm saying is intellectually understanding and agreeing with someone else's belief's and getting your name put in green as a moderator on a forum does not mean you automatically understand non-duality and what Awakening actually is..... you are simply not a reliable source in these areas whether you believe you are or not....

I'm guessing you are in your mid-to-late forties or early fifties and are completely stuck in your belief system.(you grasp tightly to keep them intact)

It takes someone to be completely selfless to recognize they may actually not be helping but confusing the situation worse.

Someone that is not awake should not be attempting to guide individuals on this section of the forum period.

 

 

 

Is there any more of a reason to listen to a random non-green guy on the internet who gets drunk and does stupid shit from time to time, claiming no one knows and can never know and no ones there to begin, yet makes such claims of knowing something, but then defends no ones here doing that..... lol let that in for a moment, its kinda hilarious even if is true (who knows right), it would make a great comedy which only a few in the audience would be able to appreciate the humor of since almost of this stuff is very obscure to the general population.  Anywas, love ya, but come on man, this is rather disrespectful just on a basic human to human level.

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21 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Bud, he has a clearer understanding than 'you'.

“The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance – it is the illusion of knowledge.” - Daniel J. Boorstin

You have built up this illusory concept that you are in some way a reliable source on these subjects...

All you have done is adopted someone else's beliefs, identified with the thought that these are the end-all-be-all (TRUTH). 

All I'm saying is intellectually understanding and agreeing with someone else's belief's and getting your name put in green as a moderator on a forum does not mean you automatically understand non-duality and what Awakening actually is..... you are simply not a reliable source in these areas whether you believe you are or not....

I'm guessing you are in your mid-to-late forties or early fifties and are completely stuck in your belief system.(you grasp tightly to keep them intact)

It takes someone to be completely selfless to recognize they may actually not be helping but confusing the situation worse.

Someone that is not awake should not be attempting to guide individuals on this section of the forum period.

“Bud” 😂 

There really are no individuals my man. It’s actual. There is no ‘he’ which has a clearer understanding than ‘you’, and ‘you’ are not the individual ‘knower’ of who among ‘other individuals’ has a clearer understanding. 

There is likewise, not actually an individual, which believes itself to be a reliable source. You - are saying that, and that you are, and that there isn’t that ‘you’, is totally between you and your source, so to speak. Nor is there anyone else’s beliefs at play here - literally just your own. That is textbook projection - telling someone else what they believe. lol. Come on man. This is fundamental deconstruction. 

The agreeing & being a moderator verbiage only reveals your own perspectives about that subject - you are saying that. There is no & no one understanding nonduality my man, it means not-two (as you know, just a point of relevance to what you said - about ‘me’).

You are not a reliable course in these areas whether you believe you are or not” - again, come on dude. You can’t see that’s all what you are saying? All projection? There isn’t actually an individual ‘here’ ‘stuck in a belief system’, that is the whole ‘thing’ you’re missing! Nonduality! 🤍

It takes someone to be completely selfless...”  that there is not a ‘separate self’ ‘in the body’ is actual. This nonduality ‘stuff’ is actual! 

Someone that is not awake should not be attempting to guide individuals on this section of the forum period” I mean, really?! You might be having an ‘off day’ or something, but come on. Are you even reading what you’re writing? 

I wish you only the best. If we were sitting together, I’d be the first to open a beer for ya and tell you I love ya, and appreciate all you do. You also can feel free to make whatever accusations about me you desire to, and I hope it is some form of relief. 

 

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28 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Someone that is not awake should not be attempting to guide individuals on this section of the forum period.

There isn't someone.

Nobody knows they’re awake.

There are no individuals to guide, and there’s nowhere to guide them to.

It’s the joke that nobody gets: there’s nothing to get.

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@Nahm im not accusing you, I don't know who you are. I am accusing the projection I have of you. Why I see your projection as inauthentic is perhaps because there is still inauthenticity in me. 

To me it seems that you are not enlightened. I have seen a vision. I am not to judge who is what, but thats the only way I know to help.

Going against the grain, if you believe you have arrived. For me, to trully know Love means you trully know you will never arrive. 

The flame never stops burning. Me being an infinite being is beyond the point. There is something bigger than this. If you claim, like Leo, that your mother does not exist when outsife of awareness,  that's just the Ivory tower of empty truth. Can't defeat emptiness, but the Love will always be one step ahead of it.


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Since no other person wants to provide a straightforward answer...

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

We were just projections of your own mind.... It must follow that there is no point talking with mere images in your mind. To a dream characters. Watch the video. This is only resolved if you accept the existence of a second layer of reality. If you don't it's straightforward solipsism. 

I didn't watch the video. This "second layer" idea is indeed a solution, and it should be distinguished from dualism. As I mentioned earlier, the mainstream physicalist account of your experience has "layers" even though it is monist. This account is useful to explore the tension between "layers" and non-dualism because it is much more developed than the idealist account.

But, as has been hinted at earlier, there is another obvious alternative to solipsism hinging on how "you" is understood. You might say this is just another kind of "layer" theory but parts of "you" could in principle be functionally independent enough from each other that they might sometimes (when they're kind of sleeping we might say) communicate in a non-solipsistic way. Note that if you were to require full independence for communication to be non-solipsistic, you'd run into problems such as: how might fully independent entities acquire a common language? By the way...

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

for this communication to make sense.. me and you are assuming that on the other side there is a sentient being receiving the message... And my sentience is independent from your sentience.

Strictly speaking, you can and do make sense when you're talking to yourself (that is, when there's not even an illusion of independence).

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7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

@Nahm im not accusing you, I don't know who you are. I am accusing the projection I have of you. Why I see your projection as inauthentic is perhaps because there is still inauthenticity in me. 

To me it seems that you are not enlightened. I have seen a vision. I am not to judge who is what, but thats the only way I know to help.

Going against the grain, if you believe you have arrived. For me, to trully know Love means you trully know you will never arrive. 

The flame never stops burning. Me being an infinite being is beyond the point. There is something bigger than this. If you claim, like Leo, that your mother does not exist when outsife of awareness,  that's just the Ivory tower of empty truth. Can't defeat emptiness, but the Love will always be one step ahead of it.

Well, appreciated, but you are accusing me of some dark & ill intended motives, and saying really nasty stuff about me as of late. I ‘get it’, and I don’t mind at all. I’m actually happy for you. Some ‘sections of the path’ are lovely, and some are a bit frustrating, or rather, releasing. Just an opinion / suggestion, but let the deducing of if someone else is enlightened or not go. That already misses the point and just makes for backtracking & more undoing, and it’s really the heart of judgement, or perhaps the apparent absence of. 

Judgement is a real bitch man. It’s so ‘deep down in there’ so to speak for us all. It’s the ‘human condition’, the ‘situation’ we find ourselves in. But (again just one opinion here) this is transcend-able, in the sense / direction (as I recognize you obviously ‘know’) of ‘returning home’ (vs more concepts). “I” do not ‘believe I have arrived’. It is just linguistically subject object / noun verb, and it is just clear ‘who’ I really am, and also that just saying it directly is least helpful or useful, logical or even sensical.

Yes, agreed & beautiful btw. There is no me and nowhere to go or arrive indeed. 🤍

If there is something to be said on Leo’s behalf or perspectives, it is probably best said, to Leo. Let’s not lump us ‘who’s’ together. That won’t work either, as we already are.  

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25 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Identification with conditioned thoughts should not be attempting to guide identification with conditioned thoughts on this section of the forum period.

Still talking about an apparent me. 

You’ve made mention more than once that I am trying to ‘discredit you’ in some way. I think a certain out pouring of that is present today as a projection onto me, in that I am not fit to help any one etc. I wonder if you realize this is just ‘your’...just one, opinion, of ‘someone else’ who truly does not exist as the individual you are painting. In consideration of direct experience, as more substantial than opinion, you don’t actually know the first thing about the reiki sessions ‘I ‘do’ & what transpires, nor of the Skype & Zoom sessions ‘I’ ‘do’ & what transpires. In regard to this thread and or forum, you’ve expressed nothing of actual substance on my behalf, only projection via discrediting & accusation (though the quotes you paste are quite insightful). If you are interested in opinions, surely you have noticed, though I try not to ‘billboard it’, that there are people if you will, which have had this direct experience and are present on the forum. You could ask them their opinion if you’re interest in ‘me’ and what ‘I’m doing’ persists. I don’t mind at all, and trust they wouldn’t either. 

Getting back to the accusation you expressed on my behalf, and the ‘discrediting’ lens, you could consider that it is as least a possibility that what is occurring is the counterintuitive paradoxical opposite, and that it really truly actually has nothing at all to do what what or who you think I am, and maybe has to do with a certain calling & interest on your behalf to do something similar to what I’m doing, so to speak. 

 

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18 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It's not a personal accusation... exactly!!

Awakening has simply not occurred there, and with Mu either.

What's not being recognized is "you both"(as in energy identifying with conditioned thoughts) are potentially misleading "others"(as in energy identifying with conditioned thoughts) into even more identification with conditioned thinking.... so in that sense you're actually not helping anyone to awaken... it's actually hindering and misleading. ❤

It's a selfless recognition!!

 

Yet again, no worries man. There isn’t actually a ‘problem’, surely you notice the discrepancy. You’re saying ‘it’s not personal’...and yet articulating a view that is a verbal finger pointing (and also actually naming Mu) that there are individuals. You’re clearly using the semantics of “awakening has simply not occurred “there” as a sort of ‘fill-in’ to mask yourself from the seeing of what you yourself are actually saying about someone else, ‘relative’ to you. 

It is possible that you genuinely don’t know or don’t recognize that you are not offering anything constructive or of substance conversationally speaking, but are projecting onto ‘individuals’ and making accusations against ‘them’. What you are expressing amounts only to your opinion.

If you are interested in seeing this, this here is about as good of an example as any...

“All you have done is adopted someone else's beliefs, identified with the thought that these are the end-all-be-all (TRUTH).”

These thoughts, or, perspectives are actually occurring to ‘you’. Indicative of the op, ‘you’ don’t actually have a clue what anyone else is or isn’t believing, is or isn’t identified withAgain, notice the direct experience if you will. These are your beliefs, your thoughts, your perspectives...about someone else. There is no ‘true thought’, or ‘righteous / true perspective’. So to speak, each of us is in the position to ‘buy into’ these arising thoughts and accuse, or not. What you’re saying has literally nothing to do with that which you believe you are saying it about. If you have something to express about a topic, something to contribute or rebuke, you are totally free to do so. But you are not, at least presently. You’re attacking & insinuating on the level of reputation perhaps, or character. 

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@VeganAwake Nahm played a part in my awakening and was a complete life line after it when it came to the understanding part. I did not seek him out, it just plain happened that way before he started offering sessions. Still just assumed he was a lady back then. :S If anyone has any questions I'm happy to answer them.

Sometimes I think we get all muddled up because we want to plot how we're doing on a map or know what level we're on. We think over and over in our heads, "Is this adventure over already FOR FUCKS SAKES?" But the whole point IS that this is an adventure, it's sheer freedom, exploration and the key ingredient of adventure is that we don't know what will happen next. We don't know what we are, where we are. It's way stranger (and more wonderful) than we could ever imagine. And you've got friends you never knew you had, who love you more than you'll ever know. 

 


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47 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Well, appreciated, but you are accusing me of some dark & ill intended motives, and saying really nasty stuff about me as of late. I ‘get it’, and I don’t mind at all. I’m actually happy for you. Some ‘sections of the path’ are lovely, and some are a bit frustrating, or rather, releasing. Just an opinion / suggestion, but let the deducing of if someone else is enlightened or not go. That already misses the point and just makes for backtracking & more undoing, and it’s really the heart of judgement, or perhaps the apparent absence of. 

Judgement is a real bitch man. It’s so ‘deep down in there’ so to speak for us all. It’s the ‘human condition’, the ‘situation’ we find ourselves in. But (again just one opinion here) this is transcend-able, in the sense / direction (as I recognize you obviously ‘know’) of ‘returning home’ (vs more concepts). “I” do not ‘believe I have arrived’. It is just linguistically subject object / noun verb, and it is just clear ‘who’ I really am, and also that just saying it directly is least helpful or useful, logical or even sensical.

Yes, agreed & beautiful btw. There is no me and nowhere to go or arrive indeed. 🤍

If there is something to be said on Leo’s behalf or perspectives, it is probably best said, to Leo. Let’s not lump us ‘who’s’ together. That won’t work either, as we already are.  

I have said to Leo what I needed to say to him. There exists a not knowing which is beyond the knowing. Leo's mind is so brilliant, its hardest to escape from a prison that is 10000 feet in each direction than from a tiny one like mine. I also know what I have seen and my words are not empty of meaning, like some "enlightenment" exercises brainwash us - washing of brain is good to a degree. That's why I said 

Are you open to the possibility that there exists a story which is more true than infinite being itself? A sequence of projections which are actually so True that they transcend eternity? Like a guy called Nahm or Dodo or Leo that is more Truth than the Truth of his eternal non-leo-nahm-dodo nature? Sounds egoic, but thats only if the Nahm/Dodo/Leo is egoic. 

<3 

idk man Om Ah Om! Lets be! I dont wish to say you are dark, I told you I am not accusing you. Every time I talk to you, please assume and know that I am talking to my projection of you. I can truly never know who you are, only you can know that. Im not saying that just like that, it is a hard fact I will never know who you are. I leave God to God and Trees to Trees. Dodos to Dodos and Nahms to Nahms. <3 Kumbayah 

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2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

I have said to Leo what I needed to say to him. There exists a not knowing which is beyond the knowing. Leo's mind is so brilliant, its hardest to escape from a prison that is 10000 feet in each direction than from a tiny one like mine. I also know what I have seen and my words are not empty of meaning, like some "enlightenment" exercises brainwash us - washing of brain is good to a degree. That's why I said 

I was just referring to this comment below. 

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

If you claim, like Leo, that your mother does not exist when outsife of awareness,  that's just the Ivory tower of empty truth. Can't defeat emptiness, but the Love will always be one step ahead of it.

 

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Are you open to the possibility that there exists a story which is more true than infinite being itself? A sequence of projections which are actually so True that they transcend eternity? Like a guy called Nahm or Dodo or Leo that is more Truth than the Truth of his eternal non-leo-nahm-dodo nature? Sounds egoic, but thats only if the Nahm/Dodo/Leo is egoic. 

Well, I wouldn’t say I’m not open to the possibility, only that it would still be me. 

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

<3 

idk man Om Ah Om! Lets be! I dont wish to say you are dark, I told you I am not accusing you. Every time I talk to you, please assume and know that I am talking to my projection of you. I can truly never know who you are, only you can know that. Im not saying that just like that, it is a hard fact I will never know who you are. I leave God to God and Trees to Trees. Dodos to Dodos and Nahms to Nahms. <3 Kumbayah 

Fair enough, and yes, I know. Also...maybe...it doesn’t need to be typed on a forum though. 

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24 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

@VeganAwake Nahm played a part in my awakening and was a complete life line after it when it came to the understanding part. I did not seek him out, it just plain happened that way before he started offering sessions. Still just assumed he was a lady back then. :S If anyone has any questions I'm happy to answer them.

Sometimes I think we get all muddled up because we want to plot how we're doing on a map or know what level we're on. We think over and over in our heads, "Is this adventure over already FOR FUCKS SAKES?" But the whole point IS that this is an adventure, it's sheer freedom, exploration and the key ingredient of adventure is that we don't know what will happen next. We don't know what we are, where we are. It's way stranger (and more wonderful) than we could ever imagine. And you've got friends you never knew you had, who love you more than you'll ever know. 

 

Love that ❤ 👍


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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