Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, b_woo said: I just wish you guys had someone of the same caliber as our leader at the helm. Be patient, a larger country is naturally slower to change course. The US took 2-3 decades longer than NZ to allow women to vote at all. I predict the US will have an Ardern-level of leader within the next 340 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, b_woo said: No worries, all good. I'm a kiwi - we are mostly easy going and pretty chill! I just wish you guys had someone of the same caliber as our leader at the helm. She does us proud. Im from the UK and Johnson is probably only slightly better than Trump, wish we were ready for a prime minister like yours though If you liked whatever i said in this post, check out my youtube channel for actual me talking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 Greetings to all of you from Slovenia. When do you think you will have the winner of the Us elections? Next week or sooner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bojan V said: Greetings to all of you from Slovenia. When do you think you will have the winner of the Us elections? Next week or sooner? It depends on how successful Trump is in court battles and recounts. Also, whenever the results are conclusive that Biden wins is when Trump becomes really dangerous. Everything we’ve seen up until now is a calm and controlled Donald Trump. We still have 2.5 months of him as president, and might stop caring and go completely nuts out of shear desperation and anger. Edited November 7, 2020 by Willie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 Just now, Willie said: It depends on how successful Trump is in court battles and recounts. Unless something drastic happens, the election is basically decided. I think some of the states are doing recounts, but that is highly unlikely to change the overall results. Plus legal challenges may possibly drag out making it official for several weeks. I have a Substack, where I write about epistemology, metarationality, and the Meaning Crisis. Check it out at : https://7provtruths.substack.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bojan V said: Greetings to all of you from Slovenia. When do you think you will have the winner of the Us elections? Next week or sooner? It's hard to predict because Biden isn't clearly beyond recount thresholds - which means nearly all the votes need to be counted before a state is called. The last 3% or so of ballots take the longest to process because they include damaged ballots and provisional ballots. Those ballots can't be processed through a machine, they need to be processed by a person. The machines can process ballots much much faster than hand processing. 4 minutes ago, DocWatts said: Unless something drastic happens, the election is basically decided. I think some of the states are doing recounts, but that is highly unlikely to change the overall results. Plus legal challenges may possibly drag out making it official for several weeks. As far as I know, GA is the only state doing a recount at this time. Official declarations may take several weeks, yet calling the election for Biden is a major step forward and would change the narrative. Trump is in a much weaker position after the election is called. I think at this point, holding back on the call is important for legitimacy. If they wait until there is no chance of a recount, it makes the call much stronger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) It is also surprising to me that not everyone has a right to vote! Here we don't need to register at all. When we are 18 years old, we have automaticaly a right to vote without any exception. Edited November 7, 2020 by Bojan V Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, b_woo said: No worries, all good. I'm a kiwi - we are mostly easy going and pretty chill! I just wish you guys had someone of the same caliber as our leader at the helm. She does us proud. Yeah we wish. She's a great leader. Probably the best in the world right now, can't think of anyone better. She's what the future of politics will look like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Willie said: Also, whenever the results are conclusive that Biden wins is when Trump becomes really dangerous. Everything we’ve seen up until now is a calm and controlled Donald Trump. We still have 2.5 months of him as president, and might stop caring and go completely nuts out of shear desperation and anger. Yep, that's what I fear as well. Who's going to stop him. No one has stood up to him yet and say 'you can't do that'. Could start a civil war just for fun. Hell, does he still have the launch codes?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 49% of the country doesn’t even believe the election was fair... and voted for a fascist, you’re doomed. Even if Biden wins you really lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Akemrelax said: 49% of the country doesn’t even believe the election was fair... and voted for a fascist, you’re doomed. Even if Biden wins you really lost. Yep. Seems like the perfect ingredients for a civil war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sempiternity said: Yep. Seems like the perfect ingredients for a civil war. Dan Carlin makes a somewhat compelling case that one way to de-escalate the cascade to Civil War would be to give Trump an easy way to leave Office, rather than setting up a situation where his Survival is basically on the line the second he leaves office. Makes some interesting parallels to the fall of the Roman Republic, where retributive lawsuits for public figures leaving office created an escalation feedback loop that lead to Civil War. As much as it chafes against my sense of justice to let Trump get away with the horrible crimes he's committed, from a harm reduction standpoint it makes at least some sense. Not sure if I entirely agree, but it may take some really outside of the box thinking to avert the very real possibility of an eventual Civil War. One one hand we don't want to incentivize the idea that you can commit crimes in public office and get away scott free, but something has to disrupt the course of polarization in this country. Edited November 7, 2020 by DocWatts I have a Substack, where I write about epistemology, metarationality, and the Meaning Crisis. Check it out at : https://7provtruths.substack.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth—it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth—it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, DocWatts said: Dan Carlin makes a somewhat compelling case that one way to de-escalate the cascade to Civil War would be to give Trump an easy way to leave Office, rather than setting up a situation where his Survival is basically on the line the second he leaves office. Makes some interesting parallels to the fall of the Roman Republic, where retributive lawsuits for public figures leaving office created an escalation feedback loop that lead to Civil War. As much as it chafes against my sense of justice to let Trump get away with the horrible crimes he's committed, from a harm reduction standpoint it makes at least some sense. Not sure if I entirely agree, but it may take some really outside of the box thinking to avert the very real possibility of an eventual Civil War. One one hand we don't want to incentivize the idea that you can commit crimes in public office and get away scot free, but something has to disrupt the course of polarization in this country. God I hope not. Letting him get away with everything, is almost a worst crime. Through his lack of leadership he is personally responsible for thousands to hundreds of thousands of deaths, that could have been prevented if there was someone competent in charge. I mean, if we discovered a serial killer that killed two hundred thousand people, you don't let him go scot free if half the country likes him. Not a fair comparison, but you get what I'm saying. If he is not held responsible, this is a green light to any monster that wants to rule the world thu the presidency, follow Trump's patterns, to go for unlimited crimes, and no one will stop you. Imagine someone with even less morals, and tens times smarter, taking the presidency? We call Trump fascist, wait till someone worse wins, and letting Trump off is opening a door for that to most assuredly happen. Is making his cult members happy worth that? Or do we do what is right, and crush any terrorist attacks that the Right-Wing try to pull in retaliation from a fair election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, abrakamowse said: Take all the time you need. Hell take a couple months, if it makes them feel better and stops any violence. As long has he's out of the White House by January 20th, I can care less how long they need to grieve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 Trump is now complaining his lawyers suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, DocWatts said: Dan Carlin makes a somewhat compelling case that one way to de-escalate the cascade to Civil War would be to give Trump an easy way to leave Office, rather than setting up a situation where his Survival is basically on the line the second he leaves office. Makes some interesting parallels to the fall of the Roman Republic, where retributive lawsuits for public figures leaving office created an escalation feedback loop that lead to Civil War. As much as it chafes against my sense of justice to let Trump get away with the horrible crimes he's committed, from a harm reduction standpoint it makes at least some sense. Not sure if I entirely agree, but it may take some really outside of the box thinking to avert the very real possibility of an eventual Civil War. One one hand we don't want to incentivize the idea that you can commit crimes in public office and get away scott free, but something has to disrupt the course of polarization in this country. I don’t like that scenario at all. That’s domestic terrorism. One man should be able to go on trial for crimes he has allegedly committed without the threat of war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 Yeah. The left will have to build up their media a lot to prepare for 2024. god Bless Breadtube and The Gravel Institute!! You have been gifted the Golden Kappa~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Willie said: I don’t like that scenario at all. That’s domestic terrorism. One man should be able to go on trial for crimes he has allegedly committed without the threat of war. Was more just entertaining the possibility, but sadly we have a terrible record in this country of having Presidents be held responsible for the crimes they've committed in Office. Not to equate Trump with someone like Nixon for example, as Trump is on another level entirely; I really hope that Trump on trial for the crimes he's committed will discredit him in the eyes of at least some of his followers, but I have my doubts. I have a Substack, where I write about epistemology, metarationality, and the Meaning Crisis. Check it out at : https://7provtruths.substack.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
