Does Fucking Music Prevent Spiritual Growth?

[Nahm]

You can blame the music for preventing growth, and you can realize the music is giving it to you in your transcendence of perspectives. Maybe you want inspiring music. Maybe this is nice to know about oneself. Realizing one doesn’t relate any longer to the old, is the discovery of the new. Music is itself untouchable unseeable transcendence. Every note, every word sung, is this.

[Evil Raccoon]

38 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

Rubbish low consciousness music isn't going to perpetuate your consciousness practice but hey...maybe you need to go through that, to listen to this stuff for few months just to get over it and be prepared to move on. While you do it, pop couple hundred beers, smoke some marihuana, bang a bunch of girls, get in a street fight, buy expensive oversized clothing that does not cover your butt and live the gangsta paradise. 

If there is a phase you think you need to go through you cannot logically bypass it, it will be a loose brick in your foundation wall. Same as a Christian monk cannot become enlightened before he sleeps with all nuns, flips the  head of the church off, gets wasted couple times, embezzles some of the church's resources just to get into green. 

If I chose the chimp lifestyle over the self-actualized lifestyle, it's for life.Isn't there ultimately only two ways a human being can spend his life: by serving Truth or by serving ego?

Edited May 12, 2020 by Evil Raccoon

[Evil Raccoon]

12 minutes ago, Nahm said:

You can blame the music for preventing growth, and you can realize the music is giving it to you in your transcendence of perspectives. Maybe you want inspiring music. Maybe this is nice to know about oneself. Realizing one doesn’t relate any longer to the old, is the discovery of the new. Music is itself untouchable unseeable transcendence. Every note, every word sung, is this.

Wow u seem very advanced Mister Jedi, all zenned out and shit.Basically u're sayin that music doesn't influence my behavior but that it's the other way around?

[Nahm]

@Evil Raccoon

Your preference is essentially for entitlement & payback, getting yours, for harming people, taking from people, minimizing people, hurting people, having more than other people, positioning yourself as better than other people, and rationalizing, reinforcing & justifying this, by using like minded people for your own gains. Maybe the opposite is true though, hard to say. Your life & choices say it, and I don’t know anything about you. 

[Evil Raccoon]

12 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

It simply fell away as I evolved.

It comes from a place I can no longer relate to or even find artistic. It doesn’t produce lightness and joy

I can definitely relate.

[Evil Raccoon]

28 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Evil Raccoon

Your preference is essentially for entitlement & payback, getting yours, for harming people, taking from people, minimizing people, hurting people, having more than other people, positioning yourself as better than other people, and rationalizing, reinforcing & justifying this, by using like minded people for your own gains. 

Well, u've just described me in a nutshell so you do know me.You even know me better than I know myself.

[Cocolove]

Rap which is also highly conscious:

Saul Williams is a poet and singer, he is also friends with Ken Wilber

 

many more good ones.

 

Edit:

 

"Motherfuckers better realize, now is the time to self-actualize"

 

 

Also Shpongle.

In my experience being more conscious will make you want more conscious music. 

I get that dirty feeling when I listen to Travis Scott, and find myself more drawn to this stuff.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Cocolove

[Nahm]

@Evil Raccoon

Meh. I simply recognize you, that’s all. I see your zen power. Your true nature of generosity & reciprocity, giving, loving, empowering, healing, sharing, charitable & selflessness, sincerity, humility, and inclusion. I see when a thought doesn’t feel good for you, you wisely choose it’s opposite, thus exercising the influence of the force. I know there is no match for that, so I just don’t attempt to win. 

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

I LOVE music. I mostly listen to Hip-Hop (mostly old-school stuff) and reggae, a little bit of Jazz here and there and sometimes a little psychedelic rock.

Here is the thing I can tell you: I does NOT matter what music you listen to. Why? Because you can MAKE it spiritual. Music can connect you with an artist. That is, if you listen to it the normal way. I like to meditate to music. I am a musician and I have contemplated music many many times.

Music is a lot deeper than what you see on the surface. That goes for EVERY song there is.

I like to get myself into a meditative state while listening to music. ANY music. It can get you into beautiful states. Here is, in my opinion, the most beautiful state: Oneness.

Try not just to listen to the music. Try to BECOME the music. If you put all your pour all of your awareness into the music it can give you an awesome experience. Music is a language. Every single instrument/sample, every single word. Try to see that. And then try to listen to the language behind everything. Then try to immerse yourself into what's being said. If you do this, you can go VERY deep.

That works with every song, every artist.

You can listen to music on a surface level and you can listen to it on a deep level. Every song can be listened to on a deep level.

Let's take a look at one of the, in my opinion, worst artists currently out there (sorry if anybody likes him):

Lil Pump.

On the surface level... well I don't think I have to go into that. Just listen to him.

But there is much more to Lil Pump than it seems.

Try to listen to him and get deep into his music. Get into a meditative state. Listen to his words. Try not to judge his words. Rather try to understand them. Listen to what he is saying. Try to turn his words into YOUR thoughts. How do they make you feel? How does it feel to be one with Lil Pump? How does it feel to BE Lil Pump? Personally, I get a very sad feeling when listening to him. It's so unconscious. I can see that he is running from a lot of pain.

All the drugs, the women, the expensive clothes. Most people dream of living like that, but I feel very sad when listening to his music.

And that is the thing: It can help you to understand an artist, rather than to judge him. Try to understand him. Try to feel his pain.

Trying to become one with the music can help you in many ways. Look at how it makes you feel. These emotions, are his emotions. It's just that he isn't aware of them, because he is running away from them. His music feels so empty, so meaningless. That is his life. That is how he is going to be remembered.

And THAT is beautiful! I used to just dislike his music. But it makes me feel a lot! I mean it's Lil Pump. He didn't mean to make you emotional. But that isn't the point. Don't listen to what an artist is saying. Listen to what you are hearing.

Go and try right now. Go and listen to some Death Metal and see how it makes you feel. Does it make you feel uncomfortable? It does for me. But try not to judge it. Try to feel all the pain and suffering. It will open you up to these people. It will help you understand. It will make you feel some empathy.

And that is spiritual. You can learn something for life by listening to "unconscious" music.

I could go waaaay deeper than that. Music is an entire fucking dimension. It can't be explained in one post. It can't be explained in 10 entire books.

I mean I am a musician and I don't even fully get what music is. It is THAT deep. It is what you make it. You just have to WANT to embrace the music.

Once you manage to do that, it doesn't matter what artist, genre, song you listen to. It will ALWAYS be beautiful! 

Edited May 12, 2020 by DefinitelyNotARobot

[LfcCharlie4]

@Meta-Man Exactly, you gradually just start listening to music that resonates with you more, I wouldn’t force it all, it happens naturally. 
 

Sadly, mainstream club music is still very, well mainstream! 
 

If you haven’t, check out Drum and Bass artists like Mr Traumatik, not only is he hilarious, but MCs about Psychedelics, Corruption, Spirituality, be even has a song called Chakras lol. 
 

They’ll always be something about DnB that I’ll always love, maybe MDMA experiences really can effect you long term! 
 

 

[LfcCharlie4]

@Evil Raccoon Listen to music you want o in that moment, gradually you’ll gravitate towards your own preferences and that’s completely fine, just because they rap about fucking girls & popping pills it isn’t inherently “bad” it’s just where they’re out, and usually it sounds quite good lol. 
 

But, music goes far deeper, and the greatest musicians tend to go the deepest, true creativity comes from that place of stillness and beauty, many musicians say they have no idea where their inspiration comes from, it just arises  

and then enjoy musi for the wonderful creation that it is!

 

Heres an example, I LOVED Juice WRLD (RIP) and he is your typical stage Orange kind of guy, but with a difference, his first album was about his break up and the struggles of that, some raw emotion, and that’s why I feel he attracted so many listeners, he also didn’t glorify the drugs, but knew he struggled with addiction and explained that in the music, which was also good. So you can even appreciate these artists as you become more conscious from a certain vantage point, and you can see the pain behind a lot of these songs, as well as the joy and love! 
 

Music is certaintly a beautiful art! 

[Loving Radiance]

1 hour ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Listen to music you want o in that moment, gradually you’ll gravitate towards your own preferences and that’s completely fine

I second that. I feel not good when listening to my music from a year ago. In fact, I deleted all the music this morning.

Interesting to reflect back on what I liked to listen to and to predict what pattern in taste seem to emerge...

[Verdesbird]

10 hours ago, Evil Raccoon said:

I noticed that when I listen to rap music w/ very violent lyrics or even to any other genre that just talks about ego/chimp stuff like money, sex, booze or being "bad" I feel kinda dirty, just like when u consume junk food or watch porn.Does it mean I have to only listen to music that talks about butterflies and rainbows if I wanna persue the Hero's Journey?

who told you that its all about butterflies and rainbows

there are much more ''dark'' dynamics in this universe

[RWagner]

This is a cool thread. I would like to know how you guys feel about the positive effects that music can have in context of the spiritual journey and personal developement in general.

I feel like I really found my passion in conscious rap music. I do not want to have surreal expectations about changing the world with it but it helps me to work through my own blockages and I would love to have the same effect on others, struggling with the same issues.

[Consept]

9 minutes ago, RWagner said:

I feel like I really found my passion in conscious rap music. I do not want to have surreal expectations about changing the world with it but it helps me to work through my own blockages and I would love to have the same effect on others, struggling with the same issues.

 

True creation tends to come from a place of no thought and flow state, so i think creating music is an ideal outlet for this. If you ever hear the stories of classic songs, the artists always say things like 'it just came to them', so music can be something that comes from some place other than your conscious mind, obviously theres manufactured music that usually takes from other popular songs and trends, but something original is true creation. 

Regardless of the genre or content i think this can be the case, for example depressing music could be whats truly in that artist or violent music the same thing. So yeah keep doing what your doing 

[Loving Radiance]

@RWagner The state one can feel is potentially inspiring for life.

The whole composition creates such unique painting that even some tweaking of one dial creates a different communicated feeling.

Have you seen Leo's How Psychedelics Works video? Imagine turning a little dial and you can change the whole system. Feeling into it is important. Being truly guided by intuition and sensing what dial needs a turn. I don't compose or publish music, but it is so important to have massive experience in music and poetry and then to be guided by feeling. Otherwise you can get alot of things wrong, which wouldn't be bad because you can learn and create true brilliance.

[RWagner]

I am glad to hear that!

I actually did songs about things that came to me completely out of the blue while meditating and it is really a great pleasure. The flow state appears instantly when I start writing and recording and it might be the truest form of self expression I can offer.

Yeah I saw the video, really inspired me for the trips that followed afterwards as well.

I feel negative influences from the past slowing down my working process, the old "I´m not good enough" - story but it is also a great way of creating momentum because the more I create, the more baggage falls off.

Anyways, Turning the dial up for myself and others using that seems like a really fulfilling way to live life. 

Thanks for your responses!

[Loving Radiance]

@RWagner I read again my comment and saw that it could be misinterpreted. I want to share my perspective (without putting it on you) and clarify.

Besides your dial of consciousness there is also the dial you turn in the creation of your music. Intuitively feeling into how you turn the dial can be a source of inspiration for you & others because you create the emotional state through your art.

[SgtPepper]

Just listen to high quality authentic music.

Sometimes I really like Biggie smalls because of how real his music and the portrayal of life his story as a narrative, plus its rapping is fun.

I do think music and what you consume has an impact on your attachment to ego desires. There is positive authentic music. Usually after a good mushroom trip, I don't want to listen to 6ix 9ine, I want to listen to Here comes the sun by the Beatles. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by SgtPepper

[Evil Raccoon]

@DefinitelyNotARobot I don't understand what the fuck u're talking about, it's contradictory to me.You're sayin that it's ok to listen to chimp music if I BECOME the music instead of listening to it on a surface level but that's exactly what I'm doin and that is whole fucking problem that I'm tryin to explain! By immersing myself in the energy of an "evil" song, by being ONE with it, I become it and therefore my mind is being "chimped"/corrupted.