Does Fucking Music Prevent Spiritual Growth?

[Evil Raccoon]

11 hours ago, Verdesbird said:

who told you that its all about butterflies and rainbows

there are much more ''dark'' dynamics in this universe

True.

[Evil Raccoon]

@Cocolove Your typical stage orange/red song.Very poetic and lovely!

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Evil Raccoon

[Evil Raccoon]

@Nahm Wtf I'm SO far away from being loving and selfless  

[Loving Radiance]

9 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Wtf I'm SO far away from being loving and selfless  

You are that even when you don't realize yet.

Does the last comment from Nahm feel good for you? What of that do you want to be? Maybe this is so fucking inspiring that you finally see the potential in you to uncover & realize your hidden capacity.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Loving Radiance

[Evil Raccoon]

@Loving Radiance I'm not sayin I NEVER feel compassion, love and shit like that, I'm human.But fundamentally what is my life all about? It's all about serving my fucking self from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed.I'm a fucking devil dude, make no mistake about it.

[Loving Radiance]

22 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

I'm not sayin I NEVER feel compassion, love and shit like that

I thought you are "far away". When you see something in the distance it is blurry, so maybe you want to come closer to it, if it intuitively feels good.

Does the last comment from Nahm feel good for you? What of that do you want to be?

My perspective is that I feel his last comment was an appeal to your potential will to FUCKING WANT pure goodness and compassionate selfless love.

 

EDIT: Ok, enough derailing of the thread.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Loving Radiance

[Evil Raccoon]

28 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

I thought you are "far away".

I'm far away from the hippie/spiritual lifestyle, that's what I'm tryin to say.

28 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

Does the last comment from Nahm feel good for you? What of that do you want to be?

It felt amusing, I like that guy  (no homo).

I don't understand the second question pal.

28 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

My perspective is that I feel his last comment was an appeal to your potential will to FUCKING WANT pure goodness and compassionate selfless love.

I dunno dude, I don't think I'll be a Hero in this lifetime.Maybe I'm a younger soul who needs to go through the Anti-Hero/Villain path first.Or maybe I'm full of shit and just talking nonsense, who the fuck knows.I have no idea what to do with my life therefore I'm just playin the default position (which is serving ego of course).

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Evil Raccoon

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

2 hours ago, Evil Raccoon said:

By immersing myself in the energy of an "evil" song, by being ONE with it, I become it and therefore my mind is being "chimped"/corrupted.

In the face of oneness there is no good and evil. There is only reality. You can go and listen to positive music if you want. That's not a problem. But "evil" is also a part of reality, just like "good". I like to immerse myself in different aspects of reality. Different views, different problems, different opinions.

Let's say I listen to 50 cent. Does it mean that I agree with his view of life? Will I go outside and shoot people? Will I start selling drugs? Will I go and have meaningless sex? No.

"Evil" can't "enter" your body in the same way that joy, anger, sadness and all the other emotions can't enter your body. They are already within you.

If somebody makes you angry, did their anger enter your body? No, your anger has already been there, they just pressed the right buttons to bring it forth. Same goes with love. You can't "love" somebody per se. It's just that others can bring forth the love that is already within you.

From this perspective, your mind can't be "chimped". Music can only bring forth the chimp that is already within you. It can't make you evil, it can only bring forth the evil that is already within you. If there is no evil/chimp to be brought forth then you will simply start having compassion. Or to put it simply, you will be loving regardless of the music.

Don't try to make art responsible for how you feel. Don't make art responsible for your spiritual growth. I listen to rap and I haven't had any problems with my spiritual growth. It's quiet the opposite.

Let's say I listen to something very violent and I see my ego enjoying it. Does it mean the music made me "evil"? No. It just means that there is a problem within me that needs to be addressed. So it can actually show you how you REALLY feel. Music can make you feel these unconscious emotions like sadness, anger or hatred.

A lot of people are on their spiritual paths because they want to get away from the pain. Away from the suffering. So they try not to address how they unconsciously feel. They try to be all positive. But that isn't something that you do. It is a state that you enter with a certain amount of maturity. And once you enter this state it won't matter how negative or positive a song is. It will be perfect the way it is. Reality IS perfect. The ego is just blind to this, because its survival is threatened by all the "evil" in the world.

But it depends on how you listen to music. There is active listening and passive listening. Passive listening is just about the vibe. Active listening is about the art and the depth of a song. And how deep a song is depends on how deep you want to go.

If you just want to vibe to a song then that's okay. If you want to listen to music you agree with then do that. I might just have a different perspective on music since I am a musician. I like depth and artistry. And I can get that from literally any song.

But that is me. YOU have to decide how YOU feel. Don't like "unconscious" music anymore? Don't listen to it. Pretty easy. But just try not to fall in the trap of making it responsible for how you feel. Because it's not.

To put it briefly: No, music can't prevent growth. Only you can.

Edited May 13, 2020 by DefinitelyNotARobot

[Nahm]

2 hours ago, Evil Raccoon said:

@Nahm Wtf I'm SO far away from being loving and selfless  

Well, if you say so. You do create your reality, and you can’t get it wrong.

[Evil Raccoon]

21 hours ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

From this perspective, your mind can't be "chimped"

Oh you think so? Then what's the whole fucking point of detoxifying ourselves from mainstream culture in order to persue Truth if our minds can't be programmed? "Society is an amusement park for the ego" as the fucking bald guy owning this fucking web site said.

[Evil Raccoon]

21 hours ago, Nahm said:

You do create your reality, and you can’t get it wrong.

Do u mean that no perspective is innacurate? If so then why am I still suffering? They're might be something I don't see/understand yet.

[nistake]

@Evil Raccoon As Leo has said several times, you don't need to become a hermit and live in a cave for the rest of your life to experience the Truth. Just do the work diligently, maintain a healthy balance between your material life and spiritual life and you'll be just fine.

[Evil Raccoon]

@nistake That might be true but fuck what Leo said.My OWN direct experience of things and intuition is more reliabe than what someone says.I was just quoting his amusement park metaphor to give him credit and cuz I think that it's true.

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

@Evil Raccoon You know what your problem is? It isn't with music. it isn't with mainstream culture. 

You are trying to make others responsible for how YOU feel. Can society reprogram you? Yes. But only if you let it. I know because I used to be like that. I am on the path of deprogramming myself right now.

Most people are pretty unconscious. They kind of sleep walk through life. In this kind of state it is easy to have an influence on your mind. People in this state don't act. They react.

Your mind starts receiving information without filtering through it. If you become angry the anger just takes you over. I know a few people who get into fights for the silliest reasons. It's because they have no self control. They represent the classic macho stereotype. They think they are hardcore because they fight someone for no reason at all, but really they are just too unconscious to see all the pain and insecurities that is causing this behavior.

If I call you fat will you be mad at me? If you aren't overweight you won't care, but if you ARE overweight and you have a few insecurities deep down, which you haven't faced yet, you will get very mad. Why? Because that way you can avoid facing the problem. If you make society responsible for how you feel, you are just avoiding the problem, by looking for a solution outside of yourself. The solution is within. Once you understand this, it doesn't matter what society does. It doesn't matter what your parents, friends, neighbors do. Realize this and your spiritual growth will shoot through the roof.

Society is responsible for where you are right now. True. But you can't control society. If you keep making stuff, that you can't control, responsible for how you feel then is only one solution: Go and live in a cave away from all civilization. That is the only solution if you can't cope with society. If you don't want to do that, you can alternatively just learn to practice self-control. Meditate. Become aware of your thoughts. Become aware of how you react to negative input. Try find the reason why you react the way you react. Raise your consciousness. Learn, grow, love. Once you take control over yourself, society can't do shit about you.

But this will take a lot of work and discipline. I am still working on this and this is why I can give you this tip. I am struggling with other peoples negativity myself, but I've become conscious enough to see that it is I who is reacting to all the negativity. I see that there are deeper reasons for the way that I react to other peoples negativity, and so I've started working on these deeper reasons, rather than trying to get away from this negativity.

[Evil Raccoon]

14 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@Evil Raccoon

You are trying to make others responsible for how YOU feel

Ok let's say the chimpery comes from me, not from society.Then why am I like that? Was I just born to be a fucking chimp? Should I persue chimptum if it's honestly what I wanna do?

Edited May 14, 2020 by Evil Raccoon

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

41 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Ok let's say the chimptum comes from me, not from society.Then why am I like that? 

No, it CAME from society. When you were a child you were too unconscious to get away from the programming. You didn't know how to deal with all the negative inputs and so you went on doing what basically 90% of society is doing. Avoiding the problem, blaming somebody else, distracting yourself with whatever it is that you use as a distraction (TV, video games, drinking, drugs) 

But you aren't a child anymore. You have to be responsible and take control yourself now! It took me quiet a while to realize this for myself, so don't make the same mistake that I made. You can live a life that somebody else created for you, or you can start creating your own life.

If you want to do that then start with these two things:

Meditation. That is the most powerful thing you can do. If you aren't meditating right now then start doing that. If you don't know what meditation is/what the benefits are, then start watching a few videos on YouTube. 

And you also have to do something that most men struggle with. Becoming more feminine. Open up to your emotions and to how you feel. You have a lot of unconscious emotions right now. These emotions are constantly influencing the decisions you make. These emotions are the "programming" we are talking about. If you want to undo the programming you will have to become conscious of how you feel.

If you don't do this then the past will keep having an influence on your present. And the present will influence the future. Meaning that what happened in the past will keep creating your future. Thus you will move in circles. You have to free yourself from the grip of your past. That is the one thing that you should be doing if you want to live life they way YOU want to live. (At least for right now)

 

41 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Was I just born to be a fucking chimp?

You are basically asking me for the meaning of life. If you want to go that deep I would recommend you to talk to someone who's enlightened. There are quiet a few people here who are.

41 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Should I persue chimptum if it's honestly what I wanna do?

There is nothing wrong with that. You can do that if that's what you honestly want! I wouldn't judge you. But here is the catch: I wouldn't believe you if you told me that this is what you HONESTLY want. There is a reason people choose this life style of "chimptum" (HAHAH what a fucking word). This reason is called: Avoidance. They want to avoid pain. But pain is essential for life. Essential for growth. Avoiding pain means avoiding life. Facing that pain will help you grow faster than you could have ever imagined. But most people were programmed to not know how to handle their pain. They watched how their parents did it, but neither do their parents know. Because THEY had been taught by THEIR parents. And thus an endless cycle of avoidance has been created. Can you break this cycle? Can you break out of the "matrix"?

Some people become hopeless, others become deluded. Some see everything as negative, some try to see everything as positive. Some play video games all day, others go and party all night. But both perspectives won't fulfill you.

Ask yourself why you are on this spiritual path, but don't judge whatever comes up. Doing the right things for the wrong reasons will still work (I think Sadhguru said that). If you are open to learn, you will eventually outgrow these "wrong" reasons.

Edited May 14, 2020 by DefinitelyNotARobot

[Nahm]

3 hours ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Do u mean that no perspective is innacurate? If so then why am I still suffering? They're might be something I don't see/understand yet.

No perspective is no perspective, and thus could not be said to be accurate or inaccurate. You’re creating your reality, and as well you are reality. So it really doesn’t matter if you’re living the life you want, thriving & self discovering, realizing the truth of self & world, etc. There’s no ‘wrong or right’ for anyone. You could listen to the suffering & liberate aligning with truth, or continue suppressing it - and you’ve not ‘gotten anything wrong’. It simply, literally, just doesn’t matter. 

[Evil Raccoon]

19 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

But you aren't a child anymore. You have to be responsible and take control yourself now! It took me quiet a while to realize this for myself, so don't make the same mistake that I made. You can live a life that somebody else created for you, or you can start creating your own life.

That's why I fucking broke away from the fa*-ass stage blue/religious programming of my stupid family in my late teenage years.Little that I knew stage orange is also a programming lol.And I didn't even know about Spiral Dynamics back then, I just wanted to let go of all that bullshit and embrace my individuality/do my own thing.

26 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

Meditation. That is the most powerful thing you can do. If you aren't meditating right now then start doing that. If you don't know what meditation is/what the benefits are, then start watching a few videos on YouTube. 

I already meditate bro.I think NoFap is even more powerful (or as powerful) cuz, my God, porn just completely rots your brain and makes u numb/unconscious as fuck.To me porn is DEFINITELY one of the most toxic chimp stuff in the cage (society) and Leo barely talks about NoFap or semen retention, shame.

37 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

And you also have to do something that most men struggle with. Becoming more feminine. Open up to your emotions and to how you feel.

Well I don't have a problem with talking about my emotions and shit like that just don't ask me to wear a fucking skirt while acting hyper feminine and I'll be fine.

44 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

this life style of "chimptum" (HAHAH what a fucking word).

Hahaha it's been killing me ever since I first heard it in the notorious chimp episode  

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

18 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

I already meditate bro.I think NoFap is even more powerful (or as powerful) cuz, my God, porn just completely rots your brain and makes u numb/unconscious as fuck.

That's good! Your already doing some work in taking responsibility. Spirituality can be a lengthy process. You will always learn new things.

Just remember that there is always more to reality than it seems. There will always be another "Aha!" moment waiting around the corner. If you remember to stay open minded to the possibility that you actually don't know something you thought you knew, and if you stick with your practices like No-Fap and you will eventually outgrow society and it's grip on you. This will free yourself up and questions like the one you originally asked will answer themselves for you.

21 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Well I don't have a problem with talking about my emotions and shit like that

Can I give you an advise on that? Don't be so sure! NEVER be sure about that one! NEVER ever! Quiet a lot of people fall into the trap of THINKING that they know. But they really don't. Your mind is really good at hiding that kind of stuff. Did you ever do a dopamine detox? Do one for 24 or 48 hours.

Shit that you haven't thought about in decades will surface. Also do a few long meditation units. How much do you meditate? Try to go all out for like a week. Try to do like 1 - 3 hours a day. You will be bored out of your fucking mind and that is what you want. Boredom can bring up tons of hidden emotions. But just don't assume that you are "good" with it. Your subconscious mind will always be better.

[Evil Raccoon]

8 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

Can I give you an advise on that? Don't be so sure! NEVER be sure about that one! NEVER ever! Quiet a lot of people fall into the trap of THINKING that they know. But they really don't. Your mind is really good at hiding that kind of stuff.

Advice taken.I still recognize that I'm a pretty insecure person tho.

10 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

How much do you meditate? 

For 1 fucking hour 2 times a day.Been doin this for like 2 months now.