Leo saying sadhguru is not awake

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Correct.  But its not a dumb isness.  It is pure infinite intelligence.  A Mind.  And it is Love.  That is why God fits.

Being awareness transcends...... why limit isness through our experience's perception of it?

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, PlayTheGame said:

@Inliytened1 Is Infinite Beauty also a facet of God in the same way that Infinite Love is?

Beauty with a capital B indeed.  And Divinity with a capital D.  Its so beautiful that words cannot do it justice.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, mandyjw said:

I love you but your salesmanship could use some work. Would you say this to someone? "Your current method of identifying yourself is unsatisfying, so you need to dislike yourself more and feel more dissatisfaction that you haven't been worthy enough of this event that will make your life satisfying." I realize that's not what you're saying, but I suspect that that's sort of how it mistakenly feels to people. 

All there is is satisfaction, now, either you're conscious of it or you aren't.

I love you too

I'm not talking about satisfaction from a human perspective I'm talking about God realization - and waking up from this dream you are in to discover you are pure Consciousness or God.   And as God you are dreaming you are a human.

That isn't to make anyone feel less worthy - it is to point them to the fact that they are pure Perfection and they can discover it directly!

[Danioover9000]

@PlayTheGame

On 25/03/2020 at 8:41 PM, PlayTheGame said:

How can you even say whos awake and who isn’t. Like you can peek into someone’s mind. 

We dont even know if Leo’s awake. I mean it feels like Leo went from radical openmindedness and true skepticism to denying others being awake. If you are so openminded how can you be so close minded to say that other people are not awake? And call yourself the most awake? 

i know I shouldn’t be so concerned with Leo’s opinions but I can’t be the only one who sees this change from skepticism to authoritarian speak. Look at the tone he uses, he doesn’t say, “I don’t think X is awake” but he says “X is not awake”. That doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of this forum.

in another thread where someone criticized Leo for Leo thinking hes the sole authority on consciousness, Leo just responded with that he thinks “Leo is everyone & everyone is perfect” which is just diverting the criticism and not an answering at all to the criticism.

But hey, maybe i’m wrong. Maybe Leo truly is the most enlightened wizardlord ever lol. But if then I still dont understand why you would speak in this way? I thought the last ox picture was just a guy enjoying his and everyones time. 
 

   I think it depends on how experienced you are with spirituality and meeting spiritual masters face to face. Meeting these masters is important because the issue is not about awakening, it's about getting examples in real time, because that can help you develop an intuition on who is and isn't awake. However, Because awakening is like enlightenment, which is beyond one's mind, then it's important to go and directly interact with such people.

   Have you met Leo in person? Because if all you have of Leo is only the videos you see of him, then it is not sufficient. There are many factors that causes a person to change, in this case Leo's radical skepticism to close minded authoritarian claims of being more awake/ that spiritual teacher is not awake. However, that's insufficient to dismiss him outright because such a dismissal is out of personal style.

   Criticism of Leo isn't just because his authoritarian style and claims, it's also about how some topics, warnings and bans are handled by moderators, and the quality of such threads, and personal dogmas against mods/Leo, among many other factors besides Leo's style. I think Leo's rebuttals to some of these criticisms are not sufficient to say Leo is intentionally malicious on dismissing criticisms, it's because if you read some of these criticisms carefully, they are small and illogical to take seriously.

   If you're having problems dealing with the forum, then it's treating this forum anything else than this way: search for high quality materials, verify the materials, review if such materials work or not, and repeat, keeping in mind forum guidelines and treating users lightly, like how in Chinese Go (Weigi, Shodan, Baduk) stones are sometimes treated lightly in a game, otherwise if stones are heavy(too many stones in one area, too inefficient) risks over concentration and if those stones die, that's alot of points lost.

[VeganAwake]

And that God realization if it were absolutely true...

Has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever...

Only the human mind thinks there's something to find that's meaningful or purposeful..

A retarded man or woman sitting on the grass drooling all over the self is exactly the same as Einstein dedicating his whole life to discovery.

None of it has any meaning purpose or value whatsoever except to an individual human mind that might believe it means something..

In the story or the dream there's someone or something going somewhere... there's apparent goals meaning purpose value things to do things that need to be done. 

When traditional or real Awakening occurs... what's recognized is there is no one here to attain anything... the seeking energy Falls away and getting somewhere becomes a laughable matter...

Here is all there is... and it's an undescribable unknowable appearance that's real and unreal...

The position that knows I am here is a dream.

There's nowhere to go nothing to do and no one to do it. But of course it's also so free you can do whatever you want.

Total boundless perfect freedom for No One... It's THIS ❤

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

55 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

And that God realization if it were absolutely true...

Has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever...

Only the human mind thinks there's something to find that's meaningful or purposeful..

 

There is no human mind - thats an illusion.  God/you are dreaming this up and when you are done dreaming you are Vegan you will dream you are a tiger somewhere in Africa.  This dream only has meaning within the dream.  It is literally identical to your night time dreams and you can wake up from it as God just as you awoke from last nights dream.   You can be lucid in this waking  dream just as much as you can be lucid in your dream at night.

[zeroISinfinity]

@VeganAwake It's all BS you beleive in. Don't dismiss practises. 

Actual awakening is actual awakening. 

It's actual. 

You as Source of Infinite Love and Infinite Love itself. 

It's actual, real as it real gets. 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, zeroISinfinity said:

@VeganAwake It's all BS you beleive in. Don't dismiss practises. 

Actual awakening is actual awakening. 

It's actual. 

You as Source of Infinite Love and Infinite Love itself. 

It's actual, real as it real gets. 

Go easy on the Vegan man i know him in "real life"....heheh in "real life"   and he is a great guy.   

Much love to both of you guys 

 

[zeroISinfinity]

All teachings of all teachers, gurus yes even Leo's videos can't compare to actual thing itself. 

They can't substitute Awakening. 

Post awakening you will stop being donkey and you will realize this forum was YOU whole God damn time. It literally is YOU

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, zeroISinfinity said:

All teachings of all teachers, gurus yes even Leo's videos can't compare to actual thing itself. 

They can't substitute Awakening. 

Post awakening you will stop being donkey and you will realize this forum was YOU whole God damn time. It literally is YOU

Well said sir  

 

[zeroISinfinity]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Go easy on the Vegan man i know him in "real life"....heheh in "real life"   and he is a great guy.   

Much love to both of you guys 

 

His awakening is on level of mind it's beleif based. That's not awakening at all. 

Actual awakening is terryfing as you know it @zeroISinfinity @Inliytened1 . 

It's most amazing thing there is possible. Yes it's THIS but not in a way he right now beleives THIS is. 

Will take no BS stance out of Love not because "I am better or anything like that". 

Just pointing that he is missing so much. After all he seeks his own Infinite Love. 

Nothing mattes BS really? It's all you. 

MIND only knows to love itself. 

[Inliytened1]

@zeroISinfinity what is real to him now is what is real.  Thats the magic of Infinity.

[VeganAwake]

Something about the message triggers....

Doesn't leave a leg for the separate individual to stand on.

The separate sense of self does not want to hear there's nothing to do and nowhere to go...

it keeps itself Alive by running on the hamster wheel seeking perpetuating it's illusory unreality.

All seeking energy can do is continue to seek..

Of course we all know the stance on anything mattering...

 

[zeroISinfinity]

@Inliytened1 He wants to awaken it's natural ❤️ desire. 

Why not guide him a bit. If he wants that. He will be blown away with Awakening and then only then he will know what guys like Leo, Jed, pluto, you, me etc were talking about all along. 

Right now he doesn't so why not tell him without having white gloves. 

Practises man, actual thing actual awakening. 

No philosophy about it. Just pointers and nothing more. 

Enlightenment is not beleif system. 

 

[VeganAwake]

6 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@Inliytened1 He wants to awaken it's natural ❤️ desire. 

Why not guide him a bit. If he wants that. He will be blown away with Awakening and then only then he will know what guys like Leo, Jed, pluto, you, me etc were talking about all along. 

Right now he doesn't so why not tell him without having white gloves. 

Practises man, actual thing actual awakening. 

No philosophy about it. Just pointers and nothing more. 

Enlightenment is not beleif system. 

 

I've made a thread about the dangers of what you've created...

You basically just took the understanding of the self being God and placed it on top of the egoic self agenda...

That's why none of your material makes any sense if you realized your god what do you need to seek any longer?

That's why Leo preaches doing the work for yourself you can't just listen to somebody else and believe your God and think you are liberated unfortunately it's not that easy bud..

Edited March 27, 2020 by VeganAwake

[Inliytened1]

Just now, zeroISinfinity said:

@Inliytened1 He wants to awaken it's natural ❤️ desire. 

Why not guide him a bit. If he wants that. He will be blown away with Awakening and then only then he will know what guys like Leo, Jed, pluto, you, me etc were talking about all along. 

Right now he doesn't so why not tell him without having white gloves. 

Practises man, actual thing actual awakening. 

No philosophy about it. Just pointers and nothing more. 

Enlightenment is not beleif system. 

 

You are awake that you are God - yes - but when you try to push Truth on someone it backfires.    It is intimate and honestly can't be taught.  All teachings must be transcended.

The map isn't the territory.  And people often take the map as the territory when you throw the map in their face.   They have to want Truth for themselves so badly they are willing to die for it - or they have suffered so much over many decades that it forces them to submit to Truth.  So it has to happen for them on their own.  All paths are unique but all paths ultimately lead to Truth! 

 

[zeroISinfinity]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Something about the message triggers....

Doesn't leave a leg for the separate individual to stand on.

The separate sense of self does not want to hear there's nothing to do and nowhere to go...

it keeps itself Alive by running on the hamster wheel seeking perpetuating it's illusory unreality.

All seeking energy can do is continue to seek..

Of course we all know the stance on anything mattering...

 

All beleifs. Forget all. 

Sit in stilness, do nothing. Pure sensations and nothing else for 1 hour. Take 5 meo dmt or whatever. 

That's how you do it. Not by listening and beleiving teachers. No guru can ever awaken you. 

Practises. God is Actual. Being is actual. Love is all that is and ever was. 

[VeganAwake]

Okay keep practicing God... he will one day find the answer in the future

[zeroISinfinity]

@Inliytened1 Yeah man I know. Just having hard times with 🐻 stuff because it's just not Truth. 

Is he perfect as he is right now yes no denial about that. But if he wants awakening why not help him out a bit. 

I made all these mistakes on path all of them and I recognize myself in everyone here. I do. It's like watching myself in retrospect. Hehe. 

He firmly beleives he got it so why not destroying that soap bubble. 

It's fun and I like my zen stick it's my dirty pleasure sir. (yeah yeah that other thing is too what can I do ☺️) 

[Danioover9000]

   I'm happy this thread has managed to tackle awakening without going into a non duality war.