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Leo saying sadhguru is not awake

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Psychedelics are too good to be true honestly. I'd avoid commenting on them until one tries them multiple times. Are they the fastest way to real "enlightenment" or liberation, no probably not any faster than the standard way. But can they make you have the grandest realizations of reality and existence that took the most advanced yogis and gurus of all time 50 years to achieve? Yes! absolutely. 

I believe if one does both, It will boost your growth and you'll save yourselves multiple years of nonsense seeking in the process. 

Either way, you can make it by picking one path over the other, or you can just supercharge your way to that motherfucking infinity and pick both. ^_^

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On 3/25/2020 at 8:21 PM, PlayTheGame said:

@The Lucid Dreamer

But the tone he uses scares me off/even angers me a bit, and gives me intrusive thoughts & anxiety,

This seems like a great opportunity for you. Use it as an opportunity for growth. 

Ask yourself why this tone of authority gives you such negative feelings. I'll bet (I could be wrong) there's something deeper there that cpuld be worked on. I consider myself new in this field also so don't think I'm trying to shine and tell you what needs done.  Your post just reminded me of something similar I went through a few months ago, and looking deeper into why I didn't like certain things brought me much growth. Good luck in your journey!

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On 3/28/2020 at 1:21 AM, Shadowraix said:

So where does transcending suffering fit into the picture? If you can't handle any amount of pain thrown at you, doesn't this mean we are still being restricted by egoic mechanisms? We are still resisting what is? 

The only way to reach the kind of thing you say, "Where any amount of pain can be thrown at you" is reach Infinite Consciousness and do a mahasamadhi. If you do this, the entire Universe will disappear, along with your body, into Infinite Love.

No one alive has done this. But it is possible to do. This is more radical than shooting your children in the head. And no one here has the balls or understanding to do it.

But if you managed to pull it off, you'd be Infinite Love forever.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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35 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Lmao. I love it.

What would happen to the body then? How would it affect the human organism? And where would you place someone like Ramana in this spectrum?

You would realize there never was a body, human, or organism.

Everything would collapse into a Conscious Singularity. Like getting sucked into a white hole.

Infinite Consciousness. The end.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The only way to reach the kind of thing you say, "Where any amount of pain can be thrown at you" is reach Infinite Consciousness and do a mahasamadhi. If you do this, the entire Universe will disappear, along with your body, into Infinite Love.

No one alive has done this. But it is possible to do. This is more radical than shooting your children in the head. And no one here has the balls or understanding to do it.

But if you managed to pull it off, you'd be Infinite Love forever.

@Leo Gura I just read about that in an online document. It says that the mahasamadhi is not the liberation in life (Moshka) but rather the unlimited liberation, for ever. 

Does you research confirm this too?

Seems too crazy. Samadhi it supposed to show there's no duality. When you "come back" you are just imagining yourself  again to be a human.

But this mahasamadhi seems to say you can end the imagination for ever. Wtf?

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5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The only way to reach the kind of thing you say, "Where any amount of pain can be thrown at you" is reach Infinite Consciousness and do a mahasamadhi.

 

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No one alive has done this.

or just cessation of perception and feeling

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4 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

What would it look like for outside spectators? 

That's the mindfuck. There is no outsiders perspective. You are imagining it.

Once you realize this. All others disappear as if they never existed -- because they never did!

You are Absolute. That means it's just you and your imagination imagining shit.

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How would that be different to the events that happened to Ramana, Eckhart, Sean Webb, Francis Lucille etc?  

Take this excerpt from Francis Lucille for example:

I was sitting in silence, meditating in my living room with two friends. It was too early to fix dinner, our next activity. Having nothing to do, expecting nothing, I was available. My mind was free of dynamism, my body relaxed and sensitive, although I could feel some discomfort in my back and in my neck.

After some time, one of my friends unexpectedly began to chant a traditional incantation in Sanskrit, the Gayatri Mantra. The sacred syllables entered mysteriously in resonance with my silent presence which seemed to become intensely alive. I felt a deep longing in me, but at the same time a resistance was preventing me from living the current situation to the fullest, from responding with all my being to this invitation from the now, and from merging with it. As the attraction toward the beauty heralded by the chant increased, so did the resistance, revealing itself as a growing fear that transformed into an intense terror.

At this point, I felt that my death was imminent, and that this horrendous event would surely be triggered by any further letting go on my behalf, by any further welcoming of that beauty. I had reached a crucial point in my life. As a result of my spiritual search, the world and its objects had lost their attraction. I didn’t really expect anything substantial from them. I was exclusively in love with the Absolute, and this love gave me the boldness to jump into the great void of death, to die for the sake of that beauty, now so close, that beauty which was calling me beyond the Sanskrit words.

As a result of this abandon, the intense terror which had been holding me instantaneously released its grip and changed into a flow of bodily sensations and thoughts which rapidly converged toward a single thought, the I-thought, just as the roots and the branches of a tree converge toward its single trunk. In an almost simultaneous apperception, the personal entity with which I was identifying revealed itself in its totality. I saw its superstructure, the thoughts originating from the I-concept and its infrastructure, the traces of my fears and desires at the physical level. Now the entire tree was contemplated by an impersonal eye, and both the superstructure of thoughts and the infrastructure of bodily sensations rapidly vanished, leaving the I-thought alone in the field of consciousness. For a few moments, the pure I-thought seemed to vacillate, just as the flame of an oil lamp running out of fuel, then vanished.

At that precise moment, the immortal background of Presence revealed itself in all its splendor.

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So according to you this kind of ‘final’ awakening is just a joke, am I right? Sorry for hacking away at you with this but I have to in order to clarify things for myself.

It's not a joke. That's pretty good. Sounds like Nirvakalpa samadhi.

To me though, that's still not God-realization and not Love-realization, so not the highest level.

But find out for yourself. I'm just putting questions in your mind.

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Leo Gura I just read about that in an online document. It says that the mahasamadhi is not the liberation in life (Moshka) but rather the unlimited liberation, for ever. 

Does you research confirm this too?

Seems too crazy. Samadhi it supposed to show there's no duality. When you "come back" you are just imagining yourself  again to be a human.

But this mahasamadhi seems to say you can end the imagination for ever. Wtf?

That's right.

Life and reality both are imaginary. To become fully conscious is to exit the game of life entirely into eternal Love. Not for the faint of heart.

1 hour ago, Enlightenment said:

 

or just cessation of perception and feeling

I don't consider Ken Wilber Awake. Hard to explain why I know that.

If you read Ken's memoirs, seems like he still suffers and deals with a lot of human BS.

Part of the trick is how you define "suffering". People like to use different definitions.


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53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

I don't consider Ken Wilber Awake. Hard to explain why I know that.

If you read Ken's memoirs, seems like he still suffers and deals with a lot of human BS.

Part of the trick is how you define "suffering". People like to use different definitions.

Of course the highest realization is that you are imagining Ken Wilbur.   He is part of your dream so he is a projection of your mind.  It takes a shift in consciousness to first buy into the illusion and then as part of the illusion imagine that he is not awake.  Which of course is all imaginary ;)

That is why they say waking up is losing your mind as you knew it.

 

 

 


"It's Just Consciousness.  It's just You.  It was always you!"

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Meta-Man said:

Yeah I get that (actually maybe I don’t, as this might go so far beyond comprehension that nothing compares, I go on and ask my silly question anyway), but what would a being with that realization look like?

Hehe... it would look like you!

There are no beings but you.

There is only one being who can ever awaken, and that is you. Forget about The Buddha. The Buddha cannot ever awaken because he's an idea in your mind. Only you can Awaken.

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Francis talks about Love and God, and especially about not being a human body. Francis’ level of awakening has been my goal all along, but if you’re saying there’s more, that’s nuts. How is that even possible? What would change? What would Francis have to do (inb4 5-meo.and even then it wouldn’t last?) to reach even further? From all accounts he’s dead inside. How is that not total?! «The goal of the game is to realize you are not in the game» - Francis

I haven't studied him, so I cannot say what his level is.

Just to be on the safe side I would assume higher levels are possible. It's not that his teachings are bad or wrong. We don't really disagree. Just a question of degree and various facets.

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edit: and the past few days I’ve been really making an effort to get 5m now fyi. I aint slackin’

edit2: ok, so now im starting to suspect that I am god imagining.. everything.. all of this. Like it’s all just my fantasy world.. Im the sole creator of this.. ? Like wtf. Kind of solipsistic, only infinitely more vast..? you dont exist. Im not talking to you, Im talking to me. 🤯allright goodnight. more tomorrow..

Yes

The fundamental ruling principle is ONENESS. Infinity must be ONE! Self must equal other.

You have to appreciate how brutually radical ONENESS is.

One day you will realize, "OMFG! I literally am Leo! Leo you fucker! You've been looking through my eyes since I was born??! Fuck you Leo! OMFG! I created Actualized.org just to wake myself up??? NO! NO! NO! I can't believe it. It can't be true! It's genius! It's pure fucking genius! OH MY GOD! NO! NO! NO! OH MY GOD! It can't be true!"

I am not merely a part of you. I am literally you! Right now!!!! I have lived your entire life, AS YOU! When you jerk off, Leo is watching ;) And not just watching, I am jerking your dick using your hand. Your dick is my dick, and vice versa.

Yeah, that's a mindfuck unlike any other. Check if it is true.

20 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

edit3: cant sleep, mind is churning.. was laying here thinking about limited/unlimited, and it hits me that is just another distinction. same with predestination/free-will - all that shit flys out the window because you’re fawkin GAWD

You are def unlimited.

Even limited stuff is unlimited. Lol

A roll of toilet paper is unlimited. Nevermind the Universe as a whole.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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12 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

LMAO, YES. Thats exactly IT.

This gives me the sense that someone who attains mahasamadhi wont live very long because he will be fucking killed instantly.

By definition Mahasamadhi means your body drops dead at the moment of total realization.

Technically speaking though, your body does not drop dead. Rather, you become so Conscious that you realize that your body and world never even existed. And finally you decide to stop imagining them. And so everything ends. This is DEATH.

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needless to say.. this scared the bejeezus out of me. its impossible to get more radical than this

Yes, it's scary. I wouldn't worry too much about it as a newbie. It's only gonna become a factor if you become very very advanced. I don't see anyone here at those levels.


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3 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

God damn. Thats the ultimate fullcircle. 

 

 

The ultimate full circle is that you will do it all again, forever.  Because God can't help itself :)  and you have done it forever.  You've awoken an infinite amount of times heheh.

 


"It's Just Consciousness.  It's just You.  It was always you!"

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Whats your goal? Mahasamadhi?

I don't know. My goal was simply to become more and more God. I felt I came close to mahasamdhi the other day. It was challenging to deal with.

Half of me wants it and half of me doesn't. I'll try to stick around, but can't promise anything as I don't know how exactly it works.


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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know. I came close to mahasamdhi the other day. It was challenging to deal with.

Half of me wants it and half of me doesn't.

Stick around to teach yourself a bit longer will ya? :)

 


"It's Just Consciousness.  It's just You.  It was always you!"

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know. I came close to mahasamdhi the other day. It was challenging to deal with.

Half of me wants it and half of me doesn't.

That "me" is an imaginary concept by God. God has no fear and is only Love. Therefore God should have no problem with fully merging into himself, because God loves himself fully. 

To be more precise, God is already fully himself, he just needs to forget/let go of the imagery humans altogether. 

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6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Stick around to teach yourself a bit longer will ya? :)

That's the thing. Once you become conscious enough, teaching people becomes pointless since they are just you.

With Mahasamadhi you stop imagining people who need teaching.

5 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

So you can do this with 5-MeO?

Seems like it. Can't be certain unless I disappear forever.

Or maybe I'm fooling myself. But it certainly felt possible enough that it gave me some serious pause. I've never had to pause in a trip before. But here it felt like going one step too far so I stopped.

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Was thinking it had to be done ‘organically’.

At some point that distinction starts to lose meaning.

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How does your daily level of consciousness compare to your last trip?

It's hard to say. Baseline definitely 100x lower than a solid trip. But still, more conscious than before.


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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the thing. Once you become conscious enough, teaching people becomes pointless since they are just you.

 

I know....it is inevitable.  Worth a shot though.  :)

The only thing keeping it going is the survival instinct of the ego and its illusions.  But when you become too conscious you can't even buy into the illusion anymore.  That's when you are face to face with it.


"It's Just Consciousness.  It's just You.  It was always you!"

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I know....it is inevitable.  Worth a shot though.  :)

That would be the point of becoming a Bodhisattva.

It does feel pretty selfish to just leave everyone behind without helping them.

I think most of you guys should stay away from Mahasamadhi. Don't even think about it. It's only a thing the most radical spiritual seekers should consider when they reach that level. Most people just want some basic satori or God-realization and embodiment.


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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That would the point of becoming a Bodhisattva.

It does feel pretty selfish to just leave everyone behind without helping them.

Yeah and you woke up to begin with by being selfless....


"It's Just Consciousness.  It's just You.  It was always you!"

 

 

 

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Leo, if You are We and We are You. If You achieve full Mahasamadhi and everyone will stop existing because there is no one to imagine them to exist (Because there is Being), then it would mean that if You achieve Mahasamadhi = We too achieve Mahasamadhi too. Because You = Me = We.

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6 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

If I’m not mistaken, YOU will imagine the body we call Leo Gura drop dead, and YOU will keep dreaming

No, it shouldn't be so if we to take the notion that there is only one Being as true. Because if that being that controls Leo achieves Mahasamadhi, there will not any being here to imagine Leo's body dropping dead, because there is One Being. 

Otherwise, it would mean that there is a Being behind Leo who achieves Mahasamadhi and then there is my Being that imagines Leo dropping dead.

Which would mean that there are more than one Being. (Which can also be true). But now you are contradicting yourself, because that seems like you cant make up your mind on what is true, is there is one Being, or there are many Beings?  :)

If there is one Being, when Being that has conscious control over Leo actions achieves Mahasamadhi and stops imagining others and reality altogether, I and You will also achieve Mahasamadhi at that instant, because there will be no reality and others any-longer. 

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