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Why is illusion necessary for God?

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What is the point in us not knowing we are God?

I would assume people would answer "because God wants to know something other than itself". But if that's the case, there are plenty of people these days who know themselves as God. So it seems acceptable to God to know itself as God.

Or would the answer be "because God is infinite, it must know itself "not as God" and as "God"? But then the question arises - Why are so few allowed the truth? The balance is way off.  Maybe something to do with "metaphysical evolution"? Not sure if that's a term but it is now. :D

Why is the truth uncommon? Why is it hard to get to? Why are so few people privileged to it?

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@Joshe Just try to contemplate and share your thoughts.

The assumption that primordial Infinite formless awareness (Shivam) must be present before the creation of creative power (Shakti) is just a intellectual logical conclusion - after thought or realisation ?

Or in other words God infinity or power or intelligence which is assumed to have created the entire universe is it necessary that it must have awareness ?

Infinity created awareness or awareness is just one aspect of creation ?

If we are God why we are unable to create anything ?🤔🤔🤔

Is I am God just a pointer concept to point out the wordless or it is absolute truth ?🤔🤔🤔

Does enlightenment make the person all knowing all intelligent omnipresent omniscient ?

Beyond mind and body do creation or God exists ?🤔🤔🤔

 

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@Joshe

There is no truth. All you have is a concept of it, which is the illusion.

God is beyond truth vs. illusion duality.

However, that might not answer your question. Exactly! There's no answer, because there is no question to begin with. You invented/are imagining the question, and expected/are imagining to find an answer.

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@Joshe God is infinite yes - so much so to the point where you are literally all there is.  You're completely alone - there are no other people.  Therefore when you Awaken you discover that the whole time you were the only one there the whole time to Awaken! 

It's a mind bending paradox for sure but thats how it must be.

 

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We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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That's why it seems to me that God is hiding behind these paradoxes / loops  for not a no reason because what's next after solving one loop?

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@tedens its because it is itself.  It has no where to go.


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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Why is illusion necessary for God?

your question assumes a necessity for it :)

it's just a question out of the blue.


you easily also could have been asking: Why is reality necessary for God? or Why is illusion not-necessary for God?

ask any number of WHY questions... the answer given to your WHY question can also be questioned with yet another WHY :)

 


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@Joshe also to answer the original question is that all form is illusion. God is formless and nothingness.  So any form is illusion.  


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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@Joshe Without contrast/duality/illusion we wouldn't know Oneness.

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44 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Joshe God is infinite yes - so much so to the point where you are literally all there is.  You're completely alone - there are no other people.  Therefore when you Awaken you discover that the whole time you were the only one there the whole time to Awaken! 

It's a mind bending paradox for sure but thats how it must be.

 

I strongly disagree. Yes, there's only one consciousness, and each of our minds are appearances within that. Yes, infinite consciousness is totally alone, but you as a person are not.

This solipsistic preaching needs to stop as it is downright dangerous and causes people lots of suffering which puts them off spirituality and, in extreme cases, drives them to suicide.

I've discussed this point on here until I am blue in the face and then people will try to tell me that there are other perspectives, the very same people who keep spouting that you are all alone and you've dreamt up your whole family just to feel connected. They will also tell you to do things like selfless service and love others. If your solipsistic worldview was true, there would be totally no point helping another person, the only actions worth performing would be those necessary to ensure your own survival in your miserable lonely life.

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10 hours ago, Joshe said:

What is the point in us not knowing we are God?

At the bottom of things, prior to everything, is freedom. Freedom has no direction, it has no 'point'.
It does not come from anywhere and it does not lead anywhere. It is just that, pure isness.
This freedom is not attributable to the person. The person's freedom is rooted in it.
The ego that is the ground for the person is rooted in freedom. It is freedom within freedom, God within God.

The person cannot 'do' anything other than to free oneself from deeper and deeper aspects of oneself.
It needs to make space for space. There is no reason to do that and that is exactly why grace happens.
By mimicking the act of God's creation for no reason, by making space within oneself that is freeing, grace happens.

Grace is not attributable to the person because there is no person and the person did not know the why.
What is above - serves, what is below - obeys. As above, so below, as below, so above.

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@Shaun You're totally right!

The truth that discounts the illusion is not the whole truth.

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41 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Joshe also to answer the original question is that all form is illusion. God is formless and nothingness.  So any form is illusion.  

There is no illusion.


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20 minutes ago, tsuki said:

At the bottom of things, prior to everything, is freedom. Freedom has no direction, it has no 'point'.
It does not come from anywhere and it does not lead anywhere. It is just that, pure isness.
This freedom is not attributable to the person. The person's freedom is rooted in it.
The ego that is the ground for the person is rooted in freedom. It is freedom within freedom, God within God.

The person cannot 'do' anything other than to free oneself from deeper and deeper aspects of oneself.
It needs to make space for space. There is no reason to do that and that is exactly why grace happens.
By mimicking the act of God's creation for no reason, by making space within oneself that is freeing, grace happens.

Grace is not attributable to the person because there is no person and the person did not know the why.
What is above - serves, what is below - obeys. As above, so below, as below, so above.

Nice😊

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@Shaun Shaun solipsism is not truth.So forget it and be at peace.It is just a useful pointer to make us realize how limited the intelligence of senses,mind is limited to,restricted.The nature the intelligence beauty of creation.The uniqueness of every living being.

Truth is not a concept.cannot be said.what ever said cannot be truth.They are just pointers to truth.

So be happy be at peace.Let go the concept of solipsism.

 

 

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@Nahm all form is imagination.  What's real and isn't real is still imagination - mind stuff.

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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