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2 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@Preetom well I did only say I was conceptually enlightened 😁. If you want the truth, there is no joy, love , peace  or anything in this reality. These are things we crave as the buddah put it so nicely. 

I am only explaining it to you. You must ultimately experience it for yourself. Which is I’m guessing what Leo realised when he could not put words against experience in his dpt trip. There was only pure isnesss! Pure imagination! 

This is what I don't get. What the fook is a conceptual enlightenment? 

And there is no other way to talk about anything except with concepts. By arguing and deconstructions, we are only breaking apart concepts which are unreal in the first place, the reality remains unaffected.


''Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather''

- Bill Hicks

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@Preetom someone who is aware of oneness but doesn’t have the added benefits of enlightenment. 

Non dual awareness , infinite creativity, pure joy in being, bliss, peace etc .. 

lol but your concepts become your reality! Because even if you don’t identify with them. They are still entrenched in your life. An enlightened being who is blind, is blind. 

Literally here’s the only thing you need to understand 

“infinity” this is the only concept in your life which should have the highest priority.

you can create joy, love, peace! And why would you not! Hence it’s not about right vs wrong. It’s always about pros vs cons. You shouldn’t sucker people into enlightenment because it alleviates their pain and say for this reason it is the right thing and everyone should be enlightened or everyone should seek enlightenment for this reason. NO. This is not true enlightenment is. But ofcourse you have to put candy out for the baby to eat, or else it will seek something else in the kitchen. So enlightenment is a win/ win situation and hence it’s so popular with us 

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@Preetom we are talking about the same thing then.  Truth.  Anna and i have had this discussion before.

We should not try to make it something separate from what is being taught here.

It is One.

Brhaman/awareness is God because it creates God.  There aren't two separate things unless you make it so.

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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13 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@Preetom someone who is aware of oneness but doesn’t have the added benefits of enlightenment. 

Non dual awareness , infinite creativity, pure joy in being, bliss, peace etc .. 

lol but your concepts become your reality! Because even if you don’t identify with them. They are still entrenched in your life. An enlightened being who is blind, is blind. 

Literally here’s the only thing you need to understand 

“infinity” this is the only concept in your life which should have the highest priority.

So according to this, can I be a conceptual billionaire? I am conceptually a billionaire but I don't have the actual 'benefits' of being a billionaire like I can't buy fine huns and private jets. 

This is precisely why a hyper refined and no-bullshit discrimination is so much stressed in vedanta. It's the potent tool to not fall into some infinitely regressing relativity or every single fantastical shit the mind comes up with, because the mind will keep spinning it's thread as long as it is there due to inadvertence.

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''Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather''

- Bill Hicks

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2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Brhaman/awareness is God because it creates God. 

 No, Brahman is not God, God is Brahman. This distinction is important in understanding the vedanta perspective. Brahman does not create God. simply because Brahman does not create. God is created because of a Shakti power inherent in Brahman. It's complicated and I can't get into it more. You would have to study Advaita Vedanta. To grasp what I'm saying apparently. 

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15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Brhaman/awareness is God because it creates God.  There aren't two separate things unless you make it so.

This is what it is saying 

bhraman is god - non duality 

creating god - duality 

god created the illusion of a god. So he created the illusion of a separate god from himself. Which is reality we see now. 

But it is one and not too. So here it’s talking about different version of god. God the absolute and god the definition by human standards. 

As you would except it to be written because your mind only understands duality for now. 

In its purest form of context it is a strange loop. Which states the following: 

what ever your understanding of “god” from your human vantage point is not the absolute bhraman. So what ever your current reality is NOW is not the absolute. X infinity. 

The creation process is DIRECT, it’s not a creation in steps. It’s what is! 

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38 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

 No, Brahman is not God, God is Brahman. This distinction is important in understanding the vedanta perspective. Brahman does not create God. simply because Brahman does not create. God is created because of a Shakti power inherent in Brahman. It's complicated and I can't get into it more. You would have to study Advaita Vedanta. To grasp what I'm saying apparently. 

I grasp it.  But That power IS Brahman.

It all comes from One source.  That cannot be escaped without saying the power is not  Brahman but a separate entity.

So in the the end what is being taught is the same just in a different way.

And that's how it MUST be in realm of the relative.

 

 

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We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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26 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But That power IS Brahman.

Right, but Brahman isn't the power. Lol

 

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@zeroISinfinity don’t get it confused, love is a facet! Love itself does not exist or not not exist ;). Still it must be nice to be shrouded by infinite love! Must be a hell of an experience. Would love to try it one day! 

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2 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@zeroISinfinityStill it must be nice to be shrouded by infinite love! Must be a hell of an experience. Would love to try it one day! 

2 minutes ago, Aakash said:

You guys are Just 😂😂😂😂😂

Like WTF 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I can't fuckin' beleive it hahahahahaha

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@Anna1 if power is Brahman then when power dissolves there is only Brahman that is the same as saying Brahman was disguising itself as power.

The two statements are identical.


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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1 minute ago, zeroISinfinity said:

You guys are Just 😂😂😂😂😂

Like WTF 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I can't fuckin' beleive it hahahahahaha

Now there is conceptual enlightenment, love enlightenment, brahman enlightenment, no enlightenment 😂

Everybody gets an enlightenment 😂


''Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather''

- Bill Hicks

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@Preetom Infinite Love is all That is and yet he says he never experienced it and hopes one day he will. 

Here is the thing guys. Scriptures are like watching NBA games and knowing all players stats etc. But playing Basketball on court makes you Basketball player. So practises Will get you real actual answers. You Will become the answer. 

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@Preetom  ahahahhahaha just make them up really , they’re all as real as each other loooool! 😂 there’s no distinction difference between love enlightenment and conceptual enlightenment. 😂 it’s just one consciousness. Which neither of us is completely aware of . 

Look I’ll make up another enlightenment that exactly as true as what the buddah made up. It’s called Apple enlightenment, eat apples everyday for 20 years and you’ll be an Apple enlightened being 

the outcomes are different one enlightenment you become an Apple eating master, the other you become a love master. 

Maybe I should create a religion out of this concept of god. I’m going to tell people that god is an Apple. And that it can’t be revealed unless you eat apples for 20 years straight. OR MAYBE we should create a religion around love 😂 

relativity isn’t just in the domain of rationality my friends. Relativity applies to anything that is not absolute. But the absolute itself encapsulate the absolute. 

So your left with: 

THE TRUTH IS: “ABSOLUTE INFINITY “

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6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It must come full circle.

It's all one thing.  We just create the illusion that they are different so that they can be different.

 

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Brahman can't escape itself.  Strange Loop.  Paradox.  Ring a bell?

Holy words. It can be really understoodable  for one /even partially/ without awakening but with deep contemplation and practice.🙏

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11 minutes ago, tedens said:

Holy words. It can be really understoodable  for one /even partially/ without awakening but with deep contemplation and practice.🙏

If you seriously think that a random dude on a forum is more correct than Advaita Vedanta, then you have a problem.

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2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Anna1 if power is Brahman then when power dissolves there is only Brahman that is the same as saying Brahman was disguising itself as power.

The two statements are identical.

There is no dissolve of the shakti power inherent in Brahman. To My knowledge. ..

 Anyways, if interested, read the link carefully.

http://www.nevernotpresent.com/satsangs/isvara-maya-manifestation-and-meaning/

 

 

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Advaita Vedanta is Self-knowledge. It teaches discrimination, between the real (You/awareness) and what is "apparently" real (your reflection). So you can know your true nature.

The spitting of hairs regarding the creation of the cosmos is laid out perfectly in the teachings and taught methodically (by a method), so one has the full picture. 

Talking about it here is certainly not ideal if one wasn't taught Advaita Vedanta by a skilled teacher, because I find it creates confusion, even if it's ultimately the truth.

 

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