Shaun

Why care about the environment?

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8 hours ago, Shaun said:

I will not be reproducing as I can't be arsed with all the expense and hassle. I just want a simple life with as few responsibilities as possible so I can focus on spirituality.

You might be disconnected from reality. You are thinking about why you should care about an idea without seeing the reality of it. Walk into a slaughterhouse, look at reality, you will very quickly understand why you should care.

Walk among those who suffer to experience their suffering. Walk among nature to experience nature. Walk among misery, destruction and death, to experience misery, destruction and death.

You are philosophizing about ideas, not truly about reality. If you did, the answer would be fairly obvious to you. You need to humble yourself and consider that there is something you do not see.

"But why should I care about these things if I don't care about them?"

How could you possibly know if you care about them if you yourself have never seen them? It's like someone saying they don't care about enlightenment. Saying that simply doesn't make sense, no one who is enlightened would say that, only someone who does not know what enlightenment is could ever utter such ignorance. If they were to experience it themselves, they would know without a doubt why to care about it.

 

The true question is why you should not be an ostrich and the answer is because you will suffer for it. Ignorance is not tolerated.

 

Imagine you were talking to someone who came from a war zone and you would ask them why you should care about war. They will know you are delusional, because you conflate your idea of war with what war truly is.

 

You will find the answer if you enter the war zone. You need to grow wise and wisdom comes from experience not mere intellectualization.

Where is your curiosity? Where is your desire to know and explore reality? Have you ever seen the environment? Have you ever seen the beauty of a rain-forest, the wide array of experiences that can be had. The life, the infinite intelligence it took to make these things appear out of nothing! 

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To see a World in a Grain of Sand 

And a Heaven in a Wild Flower 

Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand 

And Eternity in an hour

You know nothing, Shaun. If you did you would laugh at the depth of your ignorance. "How could I have ever uttered such an absurdity?", you will say. There is so much to this realm it is absolutely magical. If you see the truth the world will look like a fable to you. It will be full of magic, indescribable beauty and fascination. You will feel more deeply for everything and everyone. You will look back at all the fables and the myths and see their truth. Your entire body with shake with ecstasy, there will be no words, but only tears. Each and every leaf, of every branch, of every tree, of every forest will be divine. The animals will be gods walking among your. The air your breath will be life itself. You will be utterly helpless but love it all, and you will know why to care about the environment.

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On 09/05/2019 at 9:25 PM, Scholar said:

You might be disconnected from reality. You are thinking about why you should care about an idea without seeing the reality of it. Walk into a slaughterhouse, look at reality, you will very quickly understand why you should care.

Walk among those who suffer to experience their suffering. Walk among nature to experience nature. Walk among misery, destruction and death, to experience misery, destruction and death.

You are philosophizing about ideas, not truly about reality. If you did, the answer would be fairly obvious to you. You need to humble yourself and consider that there is something you do not see.

"But why should I care about these things if I don't care about them?"

How could you possibly know if you care about them if you yourself have never seen them? It's like someone saying they don't care about enlightenment. Saying that simply doesn't make sense, no one who is enlightened would say that, only someone who does not know what enlightenment is could ever utter such ignorance. If they were to experience it themselves, they would know without a doubt why to care about it.

 

The true question is why you should not be an ostrich and the answer is because you will suffer for it. Ignorance is not tolerated.

 

Imagine you were talking to someone who came from a war zone and you would ask them why you should care about war. They will know you are delusional, because you conflate your idea of war with what war truly is.

 

You will find the answer if you enter the war zone. You need to grow wise and wisdom comes from experience not mere intellectualization.

Where is your curiosity? Where is your desire to know and explore reality? Have you ever seen the environment? Have you ever seen the beauty of a rain-forest, the wide array of experiences that can be had. The life, the infinite intelligence it took to make these things appear out of nothing! 

You know nothing, Shaun. If you did you would laugh at the depth of your ignorance. "How could I have ever uttered such an absurdity?", you will say. There is so much to this realm it is absolutely magical. If you see the truth the world will look like a fable to you. It will be full of magic, indescribable beauty and fascination. You will feel more deeply for everything and everyone. You will look back at all the fables and the myths and see their truth. Your entire body with shake with ecstasy, there will be no words, but only tears. Each and every leaf, of every branch, of every tree, of every forest will be divine. The animals will be gods walking among your. The air your breath will be life itself. You will be utterly helpless but love it all, and you will know why to care about the environment.

Lot's of projection, judging and groundless assumptions here. Anyway, I actually care deeply about these issues but you obviously didn't read the entire thread, only the title. My question was perfectly valid based on the general consensus here that I am all there is and everything is an illusion. I have never experienced that truth so that's why I still have compassion, do all I can to help the environment and others. So with that, it is YOU who knows nothing.

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“Words are like Leaves; And where they most abound, Much Fruit of Sense beneath is rarely found.”

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because you are the environment.


B R E A T H E

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41 minutes ago, pluto said:

because you are the environment.

I really hope to realise this truth for myself.


“Words are like Leaves; And where they most abound, Much Fruit of Sense beneath is rarely found.”

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I think humans care about a few things quite a lot. One of them is how resources are allocated. It is in everyone's best interest that those resources are allocated in the best possible way.

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13 hours ago, Shaun said:

I really hope to realise this truth for myself.

You will :)


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17 hours ago, Shaun said:

I really hope to realise this truth for myself.

Look around you. Is the separation between you vs environment actually there, or is it a projection of your own mind?

There is separation but there also is not. A whole piece can infinitely divide itself.

Oneness is one of the first major insights a lot of people get. Contemplate deeply on separation and practice awareness on how you perceive separation. Question why you see it as separate and if it is true. Also how easy it is to change that perception.

Look at a house you see a whole thing, look inside it and you see walls, a TV etc. Look inside a TV and you see various components etc etc.

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18 hours ago, Shaun said:

Lot's of projection, judging and groundless assumptions here. Anyway, I actually care deeply about these issues but you obviously didn't read the entire thread, only the title. My question was perfectly valid based on the general consensus here that I am all there is and everything is an illusion. I have never experienced that truth so that's why I still have compassion, do all I can to help the environment and others. So with that, it is YOU who knows nothing.

Don't use your defensiveness of projection, assumption and judging (which are also projections) to not look deeply at what is being said. There is always a kernel of truth and growth to be found. While Scholar's post may seem like an attack, he perhaps consider he is trying to point you somewhere. Look into that. Don't get caught up in the little details. See the big picture.

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On 5/13/2019 at 0:05 PM, Shaun said:

Lot's of projection, judging and groundless assumptions here. Anyway, I actually care deeply about these issues but you obviously didn't read the entire thread, only the title. My question was perfectly valid based on the general consensus here that I am all there is and everything is an illusion. I have never experienced that truth so that's why I still have compassion, do all I can to help the environment and others. So with that, it is YOU who knows nothing.

Could you explain what you think these groundless assumptions are? You had questions which to me indicated ignorance, if you were not ignorant you would not ask these question. It does not matter whether you deeply care about these issues or not, and again, you seem to be disconnected from these issues. You can care about an idea, yet not about the reality of the idea, which is why you could come up with silly questions such as:

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 From a higher perspective than the stage green I am at, does all this caring about the environment stuff even matter?

What I tried to convey to you is how to acquire a higher perspective. The fact that you have not experienced the truth is precisely why I tried to motivate you to do so. I have misjudged you, I did not expect you to react this emotionally to something that I thought could motivate and help you understand "higher perspective". For that I apologize.

And yes, I know nothing. You still seek for someone to give you an answer to something that you can only find for yourself. All we can do is provoke your ego into action, which I seemingly failed at. Notice that you yet again seek an idea, an intellectual answer to something that could not possibly be intellectual. You commit the same ignorance I have described to you in the first post.

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On 5/13/2019 at 3:37 AM, pluto said:

because you are the environment.

Aye, that's the rub.

Can't frame it more directly than that.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Shaun You are the environment, in the most literal sense. Anything that we inflicts on the environment crashes back on us sooner or later, because we are not isolated from it but very much a part of it. We throw plastic in the oceans which breaks up to microplastic, fish then eat it, and then larger and larger animals eat those again and so on until it's all the way up in the food-chain. They have even found microplastic in walruses at the North Pole. And now it's entering our bodies too, to a larger and larger degree. We must get used to eating toxins in the future.

If you value life valuing the environment will be a natural implication.

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Aye, that's the rub.

Can't frame it more directly than that.

Environment is just a thought. It’s not real. 

Even when you look at an “environment”, if your mind doesn’t name it with thoughts, it remains as nothing. 


"God is good, God is everything - the end. You go on with your illusion that something is not okay, and you lose, and you lose, and you lose.” — Byron Katie

 

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@How to be wise How many times have I warned you about such naive absolutistic thinking? You're overlooking something.

Environment is a relative term defined against the human self.

By neglecting the environment people are precisely failing to realize that environment and self are one. Because they are convinced that environment is something "other" which they don't need to care about as long as their body is cared for. But the body cannot be cared for without caring for the environment.

Unity and holism is the highest truth. Anything short of that leads to pathology.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura It’s not that it’s ‘other’, it’s that it’s not true. It’s fake. Unreal. 


"God is good, God is everything - the end. You go on with your illusion that something is not okay, and you lose, and you lose, and you lose.” — Byron Katie

 

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@How to be wise If you insist on being dense, go right ahead. God won't stop you.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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44 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Even when you look at an “environment”, if your mind doesn’t name it with thoughts, it remains as nothing. 

That is not absolute nothing. Removing a thought and considering that as nothing is not even close. It would be like removing a nail out of a wall and believing you’ve completely deconstructed all the buildings in the world. 

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@Serotoninluv without a thought, what would be left?


"God is good, God is everything - the end. You go on with your illusion that something is not okay, and you lose, and you lose, and you lose.” — Byron Katie

 

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19 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Serotoninluv without a thought, what would be left?

Thoughts are a tiny portion of the deconstruction process. There is much deeper to go. Going prior to thoughts is the very beginning.

If there was a two hour movie showing construction from nothing to everything, thoughts would appear 1hr: 59min into the movie. It’s not even close to the start. 

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24 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Serotoninluv without a thought, what would be left?

Direct experience.

@Leo Gura Are you saying that I should care for the environment? I mean I only get to live for 80-90 years tops, and I could be the most evil and corrupt person to the environment and it still won't matter.

It's the collective that really matters, so there's where ideology is needed.

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@Serotoninluv what else is there to deconstruct other than thoughts? Please give me some examples?

@Truth Addict ‘Direct experience’ is another thought. Notice that you had to think of it.


"God is good, God is everything - the end. You go on with your illusion that something is not okay, and you lose, and you lose, and you lose.” — Byron Katie

 

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