AstralProjection

If Your Into Politics And Leo's Channel Then You Will Probably Like The IDW

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I've been following this movement since it was a baby until now when it's finally starting to carry some clout. And I got to say I am proud to be a part of this movement, as I believe they are really on to something. I know if Leo says anything about this movement it's going to be bad because he thinks that all paradigms are just that paradigms. But in the meantime some of us self actualizers have to work out our political ideas, and IMO this is a great movement to help us hash that out.

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Dear God no.

This is just foolish conservativism 2.0

There is nothing conscious about the IDW movement.

David Rubin is a paid shill.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Dear God no.

This is just foolish conservativism 2.0

There is nothing conscious about the IDW movement.

David Rubin is a paid shill.

@Leo Gura Well then what is your solution to our political problems if your so willing to bash anyone that talks of politics? And please God don't say the democrats, and don't give a lazy response such as it's all BS.

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18 hours ago, AstralProjection said:

 

 

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Dear God no.

This is just foolish conservativism 2.0

There is nothing conscious about the IDW movement.

David Rubin is a paid shill.

Couldn't agree more lol, especially in regards to Dave Rubin lol. The guy cannot think for himself to save his life. He's just says whatever will benefit his career. I used to watch him until about a year ago. 

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"A philosopher will ask me: what do I mean by reality? Am I talking about the physical world of nature, or am I talking about a spiritual world, or what? And to that, I have a very simple answer. When we talk about the material world, that is actually a philosophical concept. So, in the same way, if I say that reality is spiritual, that’s also a philosophical concept. And reality itself is not a concept. Reality is [Alan strikes a standing bell], and we won’t give it a name"

 

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@AstralProjection The solution is to do what progressive democrats are doing: running candidates who do not take corporate PAC money and champion progressive social policy like medicare for all and a crack down on corporations, strong environmental regulation, and strong taxation on the wealthy.

Don't turn governance into a culture war as the IDW is doing.

The solution to pathological Orange is Green. IDW is just an egoic reaction against Green. It does not address and serious policy issues.

The solution is to remove all money from politics and stop the culture wars. But of course that will not happen without a lot of resistance and yelling. But that's always how progress happens: thru half the people kicking and screaming like children.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Outer Corporatist Democrats are corrupt, yes. Hence I said the progressive Democrats who pledge not to take any PAC money. There are many new young Democrats on the rise after Trump. They are being smeared as "socialists".


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I know nothing about politics and don't care. Should I learn about them? Is there any benefit?

 

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2 hours ago, TripleNipple said:

I know nothing about politics and don't care. Should I learn about them? Is there any benefit?

How can there be a decent government if you are so sloppy and careless about it?

Then you get foolishness like Trump.

Unconsciousness begets unconsciousness.


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@Leo Gura Let me be very clear here I use to be Democrat. I use to be a feminist. I know what it's like to be fully immersed in it. I use to do many petitions online fighting against corporate greed, the Koch Brothers etc. I didn't like and sometimes even hated republicans and even conservatives. But I changed my mind and became independent through the IDW. Now I see and understand all sides.

 

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@AstralProjection The solution is to do what progressive democrats are doing: running candidates who do not take corporate PAC money and champion progressive social policy like medicare for all and a crack down on corporations, strong environmental regulation, and strong taxation on the wealthy.

What Democrats don't take corporate PAC money? Like Democrats don't take corporate money, what a fantasy. Being a part of the IDW I think what your proposing can work. I don't see how the IDW is inherently against those things.

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't turn governance into a culture war as the IDW is doing.

You obviously do not understand what the intellectual dark web is. It's people from all sides on politics coming together with the common goal of dialog. The only reason there tends to be more conservatives and independents here than liberals is because liberals are becoming so ideological that they can't even have discussions with such open minded people for fear of being looked at as breaking ranks from their side. But in deed some liberals have broken ranks from the democrats because the millennials are getting crazy just for starters.

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The solution to pathological Orange is Green. IDW is just an egoic reaction against Green. It does not address and serious policy issues.

Yeah no you again don't clearly understand what the intellectual dark web is. I would clearly place them in the green stage. Not only that I would clearly place many of the young democrats shutting down conservatives on campus in stage blue to orange. What they are doing smacks of authoritarianism and moralizing. Again the IDW is not about conservationism.

At the end of the day if your telling me that a bunch of spoiled kids that want the government to take care of them and they are shutting down conservatives, classic liberals, even liberals that might disagree with them on one topic is more highly evolved than people that just want to sit down and have honest discussions without yelling then you are more deluded than I originally thought. I love you Leo but I would have to strongly disagree with you on this.

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The solution is to remove all money from politics and stop the culture wars. But of course that will not happen without a lot of resistance and yelling. But that's always how progress happens: thru half the people kicking and screaming like children.

Yes I agree we should remove money from politics but if you think democrats are not without their fair share of money and donations from companies then your way off. As far as stopping the culture wars, OMG the IDW is way better suited to do that than entitled young millennial democrats yelling at anyone they disagree with. It's beyond me why you would think the democrats are more suited to do this than the IDW.

At the end of the day all the IDW is trying to do is have conversations with anyone that can deep discussions about what and why they believe what they believe without yelling kicking screaming pulling fire alarms and trying to score political points. Leo I suggest that you watch liberal IDWs talk such as Eric Weinstein and Bret Weinstein.

Bret and Eric Weinstein, Brothers Together at Last (LIVE)

Or how about Steven Pinker one of the most liberal Democratic intellectuals of our time.

Steven Pinker on the Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress (Full Interview)

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@Outer

12 hours ago, Outer said:

For 2020 look into Andrew Yang https://www.yang2020.com/

He's promoting the idea of a universal basic income. Personally I think that would be too early to implement. And it's not a one size fits all solution either. As Jordan Peterson has pointed out if we did that some 5 percent of the population would spent it all on drugs, they would crash, and they would be fine until they got their next money. Then another problem this would create is that the beneficiaries of perhaps first second and third generation UBI would still be motivated to go to college, but once we hit 5th, 8th, 10th generation UBI then it will be much too easy for the children to say "why go to college and pursue my masters or bachelors when I can just stay at home all day and play video games?" So I am skeptical that UBI will work as they think it will, but given that I see no other better solution to the coming problem of the coming technological unemployment, you know advances in AI and robotics taking many peoples jobs. Oxford did and study and found that some 47 percent of jobs are at high risk of automation in the next two decades. This is a serious problem and I tend to think that democrats are more suited to fix this than conservatives.

At the end of the day we don't have a good solution to this problem yet, because this is the first time such a problem has faced society. The best thing we can do is test several even many different solutions and see what works and what doesn't. But to think that we are just going to throw a bunch of money at this problem and that will fix all our problems with a UBI is naive.

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@TripleNipple

15 hours ago, TripleNipple said:

I know nothing about politics and don't care. Should I learn about them? Is there any benefit?

Yes and no. On the one hand you are responsible for who's governing your life at the state and federal level because it does affect you in one way or another and also the world around you. We have been responsible for destabilizing other countries due to our foreign policy of which both democrats and republicans are responsible. So it affects other countries. Also it will become more and more important who is elected to deal with the coming technological unemployment because you will most definitely be affected by that or at the very least your family and community will be. On the other hand there is not a whole lot one individual can do if you just vote. But if you vote get involved in campaigns, donate money etc then you will likely have a better impact overall.

One thing is for sure don't follow as many young democrats are doing to yell kick and scream at anyone you disagree with. Leo says that is good, Leo is smart but it seems that he hasn't evolved his political views since getting out of college where he was likely indoctrinated with high liberal bias. Nothing wrong with being a true liberal as in believing in liberty, but many of today's liberals are going off on the deep end becoming entitled spoiled kids. OK I get it they want to take money from the rich and spread it around, but for God sake please have coherent arguments for that. But they don't have these arguments. More and more they are being nasty to anyone they have the slightest disagreement with. Anyway sorry for the rant.

So to answer your question, in the past it didn't matter as much that people get involved because the American dream was attainable. But now and especially in the coming years it's going to be even more and more important that you get involved in politics because robotics and AI will be taking many many jobs, up to 47 percent according to Oxford in 20 years.

Like I indicated already the intellectual dark web is the best place to not get too caught up in the mayhem and have civil intelligent deep conversations about what is going on.

If you get really deep into politics you will realize the whole thing is fucked and we need to re-imagine who the whole thing is done. Again the IDW is a good place to start from as they are humble in their approach more often than the divide.

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@AstralProjection Keep learning. Your political views are still naive.

No one who takes the likes of Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, or David Rubin seriously can be taken seriously. These people are deluded and well-paid political hacks.

Many democrats do not take PAC money, like Ocassio Cortez, Beto O'Rourke, and dozens of others.

Conservatives do not care about getting money out of politics or reforming the system because they they are capitalist ideologues.

It is NOT a genuine sharing of good ideas. It is ego reaction done as a money grab.

The IDW offers zero real governance solutions. It's just a bunch of grown men whining and getting paid for it.

If you're not careful you will be bamboozled by these ideologies. I've warned you guys how many times about ideology?

This ideology stuff is very subtle and widespread.

On this topic especially is where you'd want to apply my Mankind Is Full Of Shit video. You need to learn to see through the bullshit. IDW is bullshit plain and simple.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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Like many, I was momentarily seduced by the IDW movement. In fact, I even became a JP fan boy for 6 months. But then, thanks to Leo, I realized how JP and his crew were not helping us move up in the spiral. 

I had to see JP for who he was : an academic trapped in his mind.
 

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I used to be into the whole libertarian/conservative political thing. I found it was a big part of my identity. After experiencing non-duality I found it basically impossible to still cling to those views. 

I think it’s good to be open minded about public policy and not to be swayed by ideology too far either way. I can speak with confidence about this to other ideologues cause I know exactly what it’s like to be triggered by “the left” and “PC culture” all the time, and you just feel more conscious and aligned to true when you stop judging these people. 

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5 hours ago, martin_malin said:

Like many, I was momentarily seduced by the IDW movement. In fact, I even became a JP fan boy for 6 months. But then, thanks to Leo, I realized how JP and his crew were not helping us move up in the spiral. 

I had to see JP for who he was : an academic trapped in his mind.
 

JP is not alone in being trapped in his mind.  He's just the scapegoat for other people who are trapped in their minds as well.

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@Joseph Maynor That's true. I was just sad to realize that the guy I ideolized was trapped too. It taught me a good lesson about not accepting ideas blindly just because you respect someone or their work. 

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