Why Do You Guys Bother Listening To Leo Anymore?

[SOUL]

7 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

But even that is a concept.  The true skeptic drops even that conception.  Or he holds it loosely if he does hold it, not like a fact but more like a useful rule of thumb.  This is tricky to do because we want to know, to have a definitive fact, to settle the issue, to be right.  But that's another part of the illusion right there.

The concept itself isn't really the problem, because we can use a concept in the moment to navigate through a current circumstance we are in. If we cling to that concept and it becomes a part of a paradigm we call it truth and even go around telling others it's the truth. This is when the concept passes from something we used in the moment to manage a situation to becoming something personally dogmatic.

Finding a way to use a concept in the moment, as scaffolding, and not become attached to it as "truth" is tricky as you mentioned, our mind wants to be "right", to have the knowledge. We can train the monkey mind to become not clingy to the things that pass through it, to cease giving it importance or imparting a truthiness to it and make it part of it's monkey process to let go of it.

So as we approach what we call enlightenment, which is another concept in itself that we should let go of, our mind doesn't become a hindrance by clinging to the scaffolding that may guide us to free our awareness. A concept doesn't defile, it isn't a sin, it's a tool, it's scaffolding used for the moment we use it then we let go of it.

Edited July 27, 2017 by SOUL

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Whoa bro, stop with this dogma

I've said this before, say it again, the only way this infinite cycle can be broken is through silence. Everything we say can be considered dogma if need be LOL

I do try to stop with the dogma and I appreciate you reminding me to.

Although, the concept that "the only way this infinite cycle can be broken is through silence" is dogma, too, even if it's not said and just held in the mind as a truth....jussayin....

[Dodo]

Just now, SOUL said:

I do try to stop with the dogma and I appreciate you reminding me to.

Although, the concept that "the only way this infinite cycle can be broken is through silence" is dogma, too, even if it's not said and just held in the mind as a truth....jussayin....

Btw I knew that as I was writing it. It's not a problem. When I said everything, it included my post. My post was not silence. Or maybe it was ?

[Principium Nexus]

You know guys, sometimes my head really spins of all this thinking ?

Does anyone like donuts?

[SOUL]

12 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Btw I knew that as I was writing it. It's not a problem. When I said everything, it included my post. My post was not silence. Or maybe it was ?

It just illustrates how easy it is for the mind to cling to a concept as truth so attracts the attention of our awareness and distract us from being present. It's not wrong or bad, it's just the natural behavior of the mind, that's what it evolved to do. Although, we are seeking to transcend the need or desire to engage in it at the core of our consciousness, the awareness, even if the mind seeks to capture our attention with it's monkey mind dance...lol

Edited July 27, 2017 by SOUL

[Leo Gura]

An idea, or teaching, or statement is not necessarily dogma. It only becomes dogma when it is held as such -- when it is held rigidly and refuses to be questioned or looked at from a different perspective, when one refuses to drop it.

As long as you're open to admitting you're wrong, and you're willing to question your own ideas, and you're willing to explore new perspectives, and you're aware that the map is not the territory, you're not being dogmatic.

Calling people dogmatic just for expressing an idea or having an opinion isn't nuanced enough. By that definition, everyone is always dogmatic, including the most enlightened masters.

The only thing that's being asked of you is to be epistemically humble. Just don't be ideological about life. That's all this dogma-talk boils down to. People either understand that and embody this humility, or they don't understand that and they walk around insisting they're right.

As long as you're able to drop all your ideas, you're good. It's a very simple principle. But very difficult to execute consistently because the mind loves certainty and arguing to prove that its right.

The most direct way to do this is simply this: set a genuine intent to not be ideological in your life.

[Natasha]

@Leo Gura Thank you so much for all the videos you've created. What you communicate on a weekly basis has helped grow my awareness and change my life little by little. Still ways to go  I also appreciate this community of like-minded beings, where we get to share ideas and learn from each other. Sending out positive vibes to all  To infinity and beyond!

 

[Dodo]

6 hours ago, blazed said:

This thread is BS.

Why do anything in life? Why ever watch another movie ever again? Or read threads in a forum? Or do any fun activity ever again, why do anything at all to be honest, just eat, sleep, shit and die.

Watching Leo's videos is part of the dance you speak of, just like everything else, and so your question becomes redundant.

However,  his thread is also part of the dance, so it's ok

[Arman]

I'm catmatic myself 

[Dodo]

7 minutes ago, Arman said:

I'm catmatic myself 

I find your inability to drop your cats disturbing..

[Zephyr]

It's ironic, sir but still -- you do have a point.

[Guest Annetta]

@Lord God "That can be disregarded once you learn the truth."

Who here has learned the truth?  Like really, how many?  Probably not a lot.

Why does anyone do anything?  Or what if they are following heart and listening to him?  Why do you think you're the appointed voice of reason?  

They're just your opinions.  Why follow your opinions over Leo's?  Maybe some people here don't follow Leo?  Maybe some people only come onto this forum for like five minutes a day, perhaps just to research rudimentary spiritual practices?  I'm not triggered, just giving some alternate viewpoints.

The idea of following heart is great, so people should be allowed to do that without being shamed for what they do in their free time.  Part of following heart is not letting people dictate your actions.

Your heart says this forum is not good for you.  Someone else might have a different path than you.

Really what this forum could possibly use is more encouragement for people to look inwards, rather than people telling others how they should practice or why they are wrong.

Look inwards, do what feels right for you and your journey. Always.

Is this dogmatic, btw?  I can't tell. 

[cetus]

On ‎7‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 10:52 PM, Lord God said:

You do realize he doesn't know anything?

He's said this many times to you, all he does is paint a scaffolding that can be disregarded once you learn the truth.

Forget leo, forget his crap, forget thinking about how reality works, just do what your heart tells you to. It comes from a much higher existence than any nonsensical rationalism you might invent. Feelings > Thoughts.

Anyways this place blows, I'm out folks. Time to start a true spirituality forum where the actual truth is spoken, and not a bunch of circle jerkers playing with their little egos.

Lololol

P.S. You guys take life way too seriously, just dance, dance yourselves to death and beyond!

One of the hardest things when your trying to effect change is that_ _ people like this gentleman_ _ are right- In some cases.            Steve Jobs

[SOUL]

When someone adheres to an idea or concept so it is a dogmatic belief the scope of it's influence is on the individual in limiting their ability to transcend the self's attachment to it and free the awareness to evolve to a selfless perspective. Yet when someone in this same circumstance is telling others that their dogmatic attachment is the "truth" or the "right way" or even the "only way" for others they are projecting a personal experience as a universal one.

So if someone is going around telling others what is truth, right or the only way on spiritual matters the scope of it's influence goes from being just the individual to potentially many more others. Spirituality is a very personal experience and teaching universal interpretations of experience does more to confuse than it does to clarify. If we were exploring physics then there are universal truths but this is spirituality so any "truth" we may discover are personal ones from our interpretation of experience.

How to call attention to this dynamic so sincere seekers will not allow themselves to fall into the mind trap of it without the awareness of it becoming another dogmatic concept the mind clings to can be a paradoxical situation. It's similar to the quandary of scaffolding and our ever evolving conscious being, our work is ongoing since we are always changing so the tools are useful but part of our work is to not look to the tools that help us work as being more than they are.

The work we are doing is in our conscious being through awareness.... if there is any spiritual truth that is universal, this would be it.

 

Edited July 28, 2017 by SOUL

[krazzer]

I will listen to any person as long as they can teach me something or make me grow in any way I find meaningful. That's still the case with Leo.

[Nahm]

@Lord God Because Leo is the Handsel  & Gretel within yourself, just like all other recognizable wisdom.

[Shin]

Because he makes me funny in my pants.

 

[Deep]

@Lord God To be honest, I don't consider Leo to be my teacher. I enjoy listening to different perspectives but I don't think Leo can teach enlightenment. Leo had glimpse of God during 5Meo, but he hasn't done it through his own effort yet. He could be missing many insights about reality that he could've gotten otherwise had he done it manually. 

I consider Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna, and their disciples to be my gurus for enlightenment. They've gone through the whole process and they know what they're talking about. I don't consider Osho and Sadhguru to be enlightened either because they have huge followings. That's not to say, enlightened people can't have followers but with huge fame I would be highly suspicious. I say be very choosy about who you consider to be your guru because the wrong information can send you down the wrong path.