Why Do You Guys Bother Listening To Leo Anymore?

[SOUL]

10 hours ago, Dodo said:

Every person is dogmatic. Only no-person can be free of dogma. 

More dogma.

[SOUL]

@Joseph Maynor  Yup, although it seems some people think their scaffolding is the "true" framing and the concepts that make up their scaffolding are the "truth" for everyone.

[Principium Nexus]

@Joseph Maynor Yes they dont care, they just feel and go with the flow.

[SOUL]

@Joseph Maynor As we become less attached to our self the things of that identity become less a part of our present being. They may not become "trash" to us but are just a memory of our path to the present moment, nature doesn't trash things, nature recycles them, what dies and falls away feeds another so in that way our old self dies and falls away but it feeds the new being we are in awareness. Just don't allow ourselves to become attached to the memory of our journey and worship it as "truth" or it becomes a church of dead ideas....lol.

[SOUL]

16 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 Leo makes the best training wheels though.  Everyone needs them to become enlightened.

It's the best dogma! Everybody gotta get them some of that.... no..... they need that dogma!....lol

[Loreena]

@Joseph Maynor @SOUL  can anyone explain to me this scaffolding. 

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, Loreena said:

@Joseph Maynor @SOUL  can anyone explain to me this scaffolding. 

Here you go.  Leo explains it here:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/just-scaffolding

[SOUL]

@Loreena

Yea, it's just a metaphor, scaffolding is a framing used in creating or constructing something that isn't the thing being built, like a temple or huge epic statue or building. Our being is what's under construction and any ideas, concepts and understandings of that process of creating it are the scaffolding.

Then people come along and call certain scaffolding truth and others false, they see theirs as the best or the right scaffolding and others are worse or wrong. They form religions to their preferred scaffolding or spiritual belief systems, write books about it, cash in big time on scaffolding, make their scaffolding holy, it's enlightenment scaffolding!

The OP didn't like the scaffolding here....hah

Edited July 27, 2017 by SOUL

[Hsinav]

14 hours ago, SOUL said:

More dogma.

More dogma.

[Franz]

His criticism is not totally out of place, this forum has a slight tendency to create vague religious dogmas while constantly telling itself the opposite. Some guy keeps quoting Osho like his words are the bible, others repeat stuff like "you NEED to practice x", "an ENLIGHTENED person would never be like Y", "This is only dogma!" and so on. Or just look at Loreenas signature (no offense, really).

This isnt about being wrong or right, just watch out what you are doing.

[Loreena]

1 hour ago, Franz said:

His criticism is not totally out of place, this forum has a slight tendency to create vague religious dogmas while constantly telling itself the opposite. Some guy keeps quoting Osho like his words are the bible, others repeat stuff like "you NEED to practice x", "an ENLIGHTENED person would never be like Y", "This is only dogma!" and so on. Or just look at Loreenas signature (no offense, really).

This isnt about being wrong or right, just watch out what you are doing.

The signature is not meant for others to follow my path. Sorry but that's a huge misunderstanding here. There's a misunderstanding of words and language. The signature is meant as a reminder to myself to follow the right path through my struggle in life, not others to follow my path and I never make such claims in the forum anywhere. 

Please do not misinterpret without asking.Thanks. I made it clear

[Guest Annetta]

14 hours ago, SOUL said:

Just don't allow ourselves to become attached to the memory of our journey and worship it as "truth" or it becomes a church of dead ideas....lol.

That is some helpful advice right there 

[Joseph Maynor]

7 hours ago, Hsinav said:

More dogma.

Not necessarily.  If SOUL is a true skeptic, then his claim is not dogmatic but extremely openminded.

 

[Ramu]

@Joseph Maynor And the perspectives are infinite.

[Joseph Maynor]

@Ramu But even that is a concept.  The true skeptic drops even that conception.  Or he holds it loosely if he does hold it, not like a fact but more like a useful rule of thumb.  This is tricky to do because we want to know, to have a definitive fact, to settle the issue, to be right.  But that's another part of the illusion right there.  Another piece of the problem.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Joseph Maynor

[Ramu]

@Joseph Maynor Thats why I surrendered.  Read the Untethered Soul, and The Surrender Experiment by Joseph Singer.  Also read some Mooji.  I've had three fucking mindblowing enlightenment experiences.  Peeks behind the curtain that have changed my view of everything, 180 degrees.  Its Liberation, friend.

[Hsinav]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

9 hours ago, Hsinav said:

More dogma.

Not necessarily.  If SOUL is a true skeptic, then his claim is not dogmatic but extremely openminded.

 

Yeah, not necessarily and very unlikely I would say. My guess is that @SOUL is very openminded and knows what she is doing.

Nevertheless, everything can potentially lead to dogmatic behaviour, it´s all up to you.

[SOUL]

9 hours ago, Hsinav said:

More dogma.

Thinking dogma is dogma is dogma and calling that dogma is dogma.....now that we cleared this up we can free ourselves from it.

[Dodo]

34 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Thinking dogma is dogma is dogma and calling that dogma is dogma.....now that we cleared this up we can free ourselves from it.

Whoa bro, stop with this dogma

I've said this before, say it again, the only way this infinite cycle can be broken is through silence. Everything we say can be considered dogma if need be LOL

[Joseph Maynor]

@Dodo This is so true.  Everybody wants to have the last word to win.  Need to be right.  Need to solve the problem.  Need to make the last intelligent point.  Need to be the one to put the issue to bed.  See?  That makes me right.  Now my ego gets to feel good for 5 minutes too.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Joseph Maynor