is Redpill holding me back

[Ramanujan]

i read the redpill 8 years ago. i hated female nature. i didnt do the required things to get woman. didnt do much game and gym.  i moved to MGTOW. but realised that i hate loneliness.  i dont wanna be alone. but on the other hand , handling woman take astronomical amount of work these days. like they try to take your money on divorce  , shit test , cheating , hypergamy ,  manipulation ,  mind games , etc etc

 

 

 

is redpill holding me back.

 

i do think redpill = timeless truth .  redpill is not wrong. but i didnt do much . because i also became a mgtow.  wasted 8 years instead of developing game and muscles

 

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Ramanujan

[Xonas Pitfall]

You can’t genuinely love something that you fundamentally hate.

If your ultimate goal is to have a loving relationship with a woman, then at some level you have to actually like, respect, and appreciate the people you’re trying to build that relationship with.

That’s one of my biggest criticisms of a lot of red-pill thinking, aside from everything else: it often teaches men to resent the very thing they claim to want. You cannot build a healthy relationship on contempt. Love fundamentally requires respect, and if your entire worldview teaches you to see your partner’s nature as something manipulative, inferior, dangerous, or inherently untrustworthy, you’ve already poisoned the relationship before it even begins.

Your relationship with your partner will probably be one of the most psychologically significant relationships of your life, second only to the relationship you have with yourself. Why would you deliberately train your mind to make that relationship adversarial?

How are you supposed to live with, trust, love, and build a life with a woman if you’ve convinced yourself that you hate or distrust women’s nature?

It makes no sense.

You’re trying to obtain intimacy while adopting a worldview that makes genuine intimacy impossible.

[LordFall]

No, your victim attitude and lack of action taking is holding you back.

Women being picky is not a good or bad thing, it's bad when you're at the bottom of the value hierarchy and it's good when you're at the top and women give you attention in droves. 

Some red pill content is very misogynistic and some of it is based on loving women but understanding the harsh truth that you're not special and if you want good things in life you gotta work for it and women will not reward the men that choose to ignore this truth.

What skills are you good at how are you using that plus your unique interests to add value to your people and the world as a whole? If you look at it like that it's the same fundamental truth as something like Christianity that is based on serving others. Be one of the men in your community that adds the most value, work out a lot on top of it, practice some game and social skills and your dating life will become unlimited.

I didn't lose my virginity until I was 18 because in high school I was shy, stuck in my head and scared of women. I started doing pickup and reading a ton of the red pill subreddit around 19 years old and got my first girlfriend at 20 and have slept with around 50 women since then. 

The only thing holding you back is you. Stop doing it. What are you gonna do next week to change your past patterns? 

Edited 17 hours ago by LordFall

[Majed]

@Ramanujan Red pill is garbage nonsense that applies to unconscious toxic women. Find a high quality conscious healthy woman, by creating a social life, and focus on authentic relationships. 

[LordFall]

29 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Ramanujan Red pill is garbage nonsense that applies to unconscious toxic women. Find a high quality conscious healthy woman, by creating a social life, and focus on authentic relationships. 

The main virtue of red pill is solidifying that you cannot run away from the burden of performance as a man. Men who try to forget this truth eventually get bitten in the ass, whether they are single or manage to get a relationship but eventually their woman loses respect for them because they think that the rules of nature stop applying to them. Offer value or you will not be valued. It's really a priceless lesson. 

Conscious women are often times even more ruthless about who they spend their time with because they have healthy boundaries and have done a lot of introspection so they know which type of man would add to their quality of life and which would drag it down. I would argue it's way easier to date a lower consciousness woman. You need to get your shit together to get a high quality conscious woman. 

If you've never read the Red Pill Subreddit, you have no idea what red pill is. Red pill content on Youtube is random dudes using generic looks money status or women with high body count based talking points to make the most controversial videos possible to get a lot of views and get paid. 

I would recommend every man here go on the subreddit and sort through top rated posts and read through the ones that strike your attention. Of course it's gonna be some uncouth stuff but take the lessons on social and power dynamics and your life will be enriched a a result. Take a eat the meat spit out the bones approach to consuming content that has a mix of good points and silliness in it. 

Here is a good post I saved that comes to mind : 

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1mhe7dq/women_dont_care_about_your_struggles/

There's also the purple pill debate subreddit which is people from both perspectives discussing dating dynamics. It's okay and there are some good posts but it's mostly pointless cultural commentary and not actionable advice or high quality mindsets to adopt like the posts I linked. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/

Edited 17 hours ago by LordFall

[Olaf]

@Ramanujan I hate red pill, these guys are toxic as fuck and I might be a bit toxic but they are on another level and most of them seem to do bad with girls too

[Rishabh R]

@Ramanujan Accept your suffering and take action that's all.

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, LordFall said:

The main virtue of red pill is solidifying that you cannot run away from the burden of performance as a man.

It's not supposed to be a burden, on the opposite being proactive brings satisfaction. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Ulax]

Best time to start was 5 years ago. Second best time to start is today

[Natasha Tori Maru]

As a woman, if I sense even a wif of red pill I am instantly turned off. Red pill makes many evolutionary-psychology claims that are oversimplified, difficult to test, or presented with much greater certainty than the evidence warrants. 

Yes, there is some truth to it. But the ability to decisively claim some things are inherent vs societal conditioning is not so easy to detangle. 

It presents a lovely, neat story. It all makes beautiful sense, doesn't it?

That should put your bullshit detectors on alert. Always.

 

[aurum]

11 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

i do think redpill = timeless truth .  redpill is not wrong

No, it IS wrong.

That's precisely the problem.

If Redpill was truth, we should all become redpillers. But it's not.

There are some truths in the Redpill, but it's coated in a bunch of bitterness, misogyny, misunderstandings of development and just general male-bias.

Strip it for its truth and leave the rest.

[Leo Gura]

Red Pill slowly poisons the mind. You don't even precieve all its toxic effects on you yet.

[LordFall]

5 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It's not supposed to be a burden, on the opposite being proactive brings satisfaction. 

Do you think most men experience the competitive nature of our society as being satisfying? 

I agree with you that under the right mental paradigms you can start to see it as envigorating and satisfying but for most it's more like a heavy burden if not a crushing expectation. 

[Ulax]

Its understandable to be drawn to red-pill. Hardly anyone actually has the balls to try to actually validate male struggles

[oOo]

@Ramanujan

You're asking the wrong question. 

Instead you should be asking how you became brainwashed by Red Pill or whatever meme you had your brain stapled to the wall by.

There's nothing inherently wrong in Red Pill in the same way as there's nothing inherently wrong in a spider creating a web, idly decorating it while it waits until it captures its prey and its able to slowly suck the life out of it in the same way a meme does to a humans brain.

This is the natural kingdom, and we're the animal kingdom within it; watch out for mind parasites, viruses and poisons in the same way a newbie tracks the Amazon Rainforest (beautiful by the way).

Study all memes, and then ask why you're buying into your own memes that run you and whether any of them are actually self-created.

The goal should be not to be ruled by the kingdom of solely your own memes necessarily, but to at least be ruled by the meme that brings regulation, sustainability and intelligence to any other meme that's given leeway to impact your own life choices. 

Infection isn't a bad thing, but its about the love we're infected by. And if its not love, well, you oughta get that poison outta you aye?

This is all elementary.

You sold your intellectual authority to a movement simply because its what most people do in order to offload their intellectual responsibility over their own lives onto somebody/something else to make things easier for themselves in some way. People do it all the time when they have cognitive dissonance around what they believe they can handle, its why the US president is turning into a piñata with these AI companies in light of his greater geopolitical responsibilities. These AI companies would be in utter spider delight right now at the opportunity they have to weave their web around Trump latched onto their index finger ready to fingerprint the world in whichever way they wish by leveraging his political power and influence. Is that not like this example of the Red Pill meme and the impacts that its had on you, able to push and create whatever emotional buttons it wanted depending on where the movement went?

Time to take back the reigns. 
 

So let's get back to my original point:

• What did you get brainwashed by around the red-pill movement, how did it happen as in what steps and stages, and why, as in what were the precursors in your own life? Reflect on these outcomes and then analogise the results for other areas of your life and the beliefs that dominate them. 

The trickiest things about some of our false beliefs is not that they don't contain any truth to them, its that many of them often do, and that's what creates the damage. Because then the mind clings to the certainty of some things being true while ignoring everything else that is clearly untrue and often, quite toxic. Use the red pill meme to teach yourself to spot the differences there, and then take those lessons elsewhere. The red pill isn't all jibberish, most of the jibberish is actually just the people around it, but that's where the most toxicity usually lays.
 

Edited 6 hours ago by oOo

[Someone here]

Take the gold pill and 2 cups of sugar and you will be just fine .

[oOo]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Take the gold pill and 2 cups of sugar and you will be just fine .

Be careful! He is being harvested for his neurons, it will be a delicate process!

He has been targeted directly for his unique limbic-reptilian brain activity that makes him a profile fit candidate for passing on the sperm of the organisation.

We must not stop his propagation, in fact, we may need to allow other men to become infected otherwise we may surely become targets. 

We may not be labelled as 'suiters', but they can get us in other ways. The 'reapers', as they call them. They were specifically created for this world to identify people like us. We're called 'clone moggers' by this group, or 'sleuthers' to be more technically accurate.

To reapers, sleuther's identify meme bots, or just 'carriers' by formal terminology after 'suiters' had moved from benign to an 'active' category, where 'carriers' encompasses a specific memetic barcode that is imprinted into the host, hence 'carrier'. Reapers are assigned to view sleuther's as threats because they reflect the danger of removing the programming of the infected host, rendering them no longer a 'meme bot', getting back their liberty to exercise their free will again.

You don't want to here some of the stories I've heard. I once listened to a story being told about a man that tried to de-sync another man's brain hemispheres from his respective cultures memetic alignment. Long story short, a reaper caught wind of it and turned that man into pre-birth-hybrids. Which means the men started fighting for a childs birth right to change into another or any variant of species including human. The men gleefully falsely claimed that a baby's brainwaves were able to be read by AI during an ultrasound and they protested for the rights of babies while still in the womb to be able to make such a choice prior to birth. 

This conversation never happened. 
 

Edited 3 hours ago by oOo

[AION]

For a lot of guys it is a necessary arch/stage to take the red pill. It gets you laid instead of being an incel. But later on it prevents you to make deep connections. But if you don’t need that it is ok. But some guys are so helpless that with or without the red pill they won’t make any progress because they don’t fully consume and metabolize any pill. 

Edited 2 hours ago by AION

[Emerald]

As a woman, it's very easy to sense in a man's vibe if he has an issue with insecurity around women and misogyny that stems from that insecurity.

So, I have always steered clear of men who give off those vibes. And most women do the same.

And guys who are into red pill (or any other manosphere stuff) always (without exception) give off those vibes to some degree or another. 

It's pretty easy to sense in a man's energy what his feelings about women are and what kinds of internet rabbit holes he's been drawn into. 

The issue is that many men believe that red pill is a solution to their issues with women, when it's really just aggravates a man's shame and teaches him to project his anger and shame onto women.

And it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because it repels women.

Think of it like an energetic cologne that a man wears because he learned that it would make him more protected from women and/or better with women. But when most women smell that cologne, they stay away.

The number one takeaway here is... "That which you learned is the cure has been the poison all along."