is Redpill holding me back

[Ramanujan]

i read the redpill 8 years ago. i hated female nature. i didnt do the required things to get woman. didnt do much game and gym.  i moved to MGTOW. but realised that i hate loneliness.  i dont wanna be alone. but on the other hand , handling woman take astronomical amount of work these days. like they try to take your money on divorce  , shit test , cheating , hypergamy ,  manipulation ,  mind games , etc etc

 

 

 

is redpill holding me back.

 

i do think redpill = timeless truth .  redpill is not wrong. but i didnt do much . because i also became a mgtow.  wasted 8 years instead of developing game and muscles

 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Ramanujan

[Xonas Pitfall]

You can’t genuinely love something that you fundamentally hate.

If your ultimate goal is to have a loving relationship with a woman, then at some level you have to actually like, respect, and appreciate the people you’re trying to build that relationship with.

That’s one of my biggest criticisms of a lot of red-pill thinking, aside from everything else: it often teaches men to resent the very thing they claim to want. You cannot build a healthy relationship on contempt. Love fundamentally requires respect, and if your entire worldview teaches you to see your partner’s nature as something manipulative, inferior, dangerous, or inherently untrustworthy, you’ve already poisoned the relationship before it even begins.

Your relationship with your partner will probably be one of the most psychologically significant relationships of your life, second only to the relationship you have with yourself. Why would you deliberately train your mind to make that relationship adversarial?

How are you supposed to live with, trust, love, and build a life with a woman if you’ve convinced yourself that you hate or distrust women’s nature?

It makes no sense.

You’re trying to obtain intimacy while adopting a worldview that makes genuine intimacy impossible.

[LordFall]

No, your victim attitude and lack of action taking is holding you back.

Women being picky is not a good or bad thing, it's bad when you're at the bottom of the value hierarchy and it's good when you're at the top and women give you attention in droves. 

Some red pill content is very misogynistic and some of it is based on loving women but understanding the harsh truth that you're not special and if you want good things in life you gotta work for it and women will not reward the men that choose to ignore this truth.

What skills are you good at how are you using that plus your unique interests to add value to your people and the world as a whole? If you look at it like that it's the same fundamental truth as something like Christianity that is based on serving others. Be one of the men in your community that adds the most value, work out a lot on top of it, practice some game and social skills and your dating life will become unlimited.

I didn't lose my virginity until I was 18 because in high school I was shy, stuck in my head and scared of women. I started doing pickup and reading a ton of the red pill subreddit around 19 years old and got my first girlfriend at 20 and have slept with around 50 women since then. 

The only thing holding you back is you. Stop doing it. What are you gonna do next week to change your past patterns? 

Edited 7 hours ago by LordFall

[Majed]

@Ramanujan Red pill is garbage nonsense that applies to unconscious toxic women. Find a high quality conscious healthy woman, by creating a social life, and focus on authentic relationships. 

[LordFall]

29 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Ramanujan Red pill is garbage nonsense that applies to unconscious toxic women. Find a high quality conscious healthy woman, by creating a social life, and focus on authentic relationships. 

The main virtue of red pill is solidifying that you cannot run away from the burden of performance as a man. Men who try to forget this truth eventually get bitten in the ass, whether they are single or manage to get a relationship but eventually their woman loses respect for them because they think that the rules of nature stop applying to them. Offer value or you will not be valued. It's really a priceless lesson. 

Conscious women are often times even more ruthless about who they spend their time with because they have healthy boundaries and have done a lot of introspection so they know which type of man would add to their quality of life and which would drag it down. I would argue it's way easier to date a lower consciousness woman. You need to get your shit together to get a high quality conscious woman. 

If you've never read the Red Pill Subreddit, you have no idea what red pill is. Red pill content on Youtube is random dudes using generic looks money status or women with high body count based talking points to make the most controversial videos possible to get a lot of views and get paid. 

I would recommend every man here go on the subreddit and sort through top rated posts and read through the ones that strike your attention. Of course it's gonna be some uncouth stuff but take the lessons on social and power dynamics and your life will be enriched a a result. Take a eat the meat spit out the bones approach to consuming content that has a mix of good points and silliness in it. 

Here is a good post I saved that comes to mind : 

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1mhe7dq/women_dont_care_about_your_struggles/

There's also the purple pill debate subreddit which is people from both perspectives discussing dating dynamics. It's okay and there are some good posts but it's mostly pointless cultural commentary and not actionable advice or high quality mindsets to adopt like the posts I linked. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/

Edited 7 hours ago by LordFall

[Olaf]

@Ramanujan I hate red pill, these guys are toxic as fuck and I might be a bit toxic but they are on another level and most of them seem to do bad with girls too

[Rishabh R]

@Ramanujan Accept your suffering and take action that's all.

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, LordFall said:

The main virtue of red pill is solidifying that you cannot run away from the burden of performance as a man.

It's not supposed to be a burden, on the opposite being proactive brings satisfaction. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Schizophonia