If you self-identify with any upper SD stage, you're CRINGE

[LordFall]

@oOo Demanding that everyone uncritically accept your self-assigned Stage Coral label while declaring any external evaluation "manipulative" is the exact definition of a closed ego loop. When high-stage claims can't survive basic inquiry or produce a single tangible real-world purpose, the diagnosis writes itself.

[oOo]

24 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@oOo Demanding that everyone uncritically accept your self-assigned Stage Coral label while declaring any external evaluation "manipulative" is the exact definition of a closed ego loop. When high-stage claims can't survive basic inquiry or produce a single tangible real-world purpose, the diagnosis writes itself.

Again, very interesting behaviour I am observing.

I'll take the time to compress things here with a follow-up.

1. "Demanding that everyone uncritically accept your self-assigned Stage Coral label"

= State where I made the demand either implicitly with any of my words or explicitly, or accept that you're trying to manipulate discourse.

To the contrary, at the end of my response I clearly stated very plainly "people are free to state as they please." 

Are you able to accept this contradiction of your follow-up assessment, or do you feel the urge to double down on your own opinion? 

 

2. "declaring any external evaluation "manipulative" is the exact definition of a closed ego loop."

Do you see the manipulation with this statement?

In fact I invited any further reflections on anything I stated with the assumption that dialogue would be done with intellectual dishonesty - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_honesty .

If I am inaccurate with my assessment so far, can you point out which attribute according to intellectual honesty here that I am not exhibiting? Can you see your own at present relative to what I have stated in this comment, where you may need correcting? 

 

3. "is the exact definition of a closed ego loop"

To the contrary, do you see how you are in fact the one stuck in your own? I am open to alternative interpretations, evidence and facts. I have also offered interpretations that are offered based on evidence and facts, while not cherry picking but instead taking a comment as it is presented as a whole while discussing the mechanics, as I requested others do when wishing to further examine anything I had stated in forming an accurate judgement. 

 

4. "When high-stage claims can't survive basic inquiry or produce a single tangible real-world purpose, the diagnosis writes itself."

And what has your inquiry thus far reflected, to date? And speaking of survival, upon which traits of intellectual honesty have your inquiries survived?

For example let's go to 5 now.

5. high-stage claims

I never actually intended to make an external claim, it was an internal judgement, relative to what I understand relative to a cultural interpretation of myself. Moreover, based on your examinations to date, by stating "high stage claims" it reveals you're treating this more from a competitive interpersonal frame more than a developmental relationship to reality. 

I am not expecting you to suddenly reveal all traits of intellectual honesty, though it would certainly help if you at least gave it ago, if not for the interaction, yourself.

Apologies if I sound condescending, but at the same time I express that unapologetically in that you're just now wasting time as you have done in other interactions on the forum rather than being genuine in trying to break meaningful ground. 

Even better, you don't even have to try and mirror the traits in and of themselves, I am just asking for a little self-awareness here that would benefit any reader trying to interpret the underlying truth of the interaction.

@LordFall We don’t need agreement on my self-assessment. I explained what the label means to me; nobody else is obliged to accept it.

If you or anyone happens to be triggered by anything I have stated, too there, I apologise but there is no need to. I don't mean as well to make any interpretation of you as fact, only based upon the facts at the time. I have clearly detailed contradictions in your statements, you haven't meaningfully found any in mind outside of misplacing context.

We’ve moved from discussing a model to making judgments about one another. I can acknowledge my contribution to that without accepting your broader conclusions about me. There’s enough here to reflect on, and nothing I need to settle by continuing the exchange. I’ll leave it here. All the best.

 

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, integration journey said:

How dare you. 

 

[Ulax]

4 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

 

[Olaf]

@Zenterus this spiral dynamics topic can become a whole ego game on itself, just like what you're personality type is or you're zodiac sign or you're birth card is, it is almost like the same stuff as reading tarot cards, if it is true or not, it doesn't really matter in my opinion, what do we get from it? In this case on this forum we get endless hierarchy games, spiritual ego battles where one is more spiritual then the other in stage green or yellow, which is just a waste of time. I rather not talk about it at all, maybe think about it in my daily life, but not classify someone in any type of stage. Besides that there is very much to blame on the society for which stage anyone is at, someone born in a third world country will have a much harder time developing and we are for a big part a product of our environment.

[Carl-Richard]

Stage Yellow people and above know that Stage Word Salad goes on the ignore list.

[Joseph Maynor]

God forbid anyone create a finite self that is self-developing.  That would be impossible LOL.  

[Jirh]

Brain color is beige.

We're all retarded.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

43 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Stage Yellow people and above know that Stage Word Salad goes on the ignore list.

When I have to work extremely hard to separate the useful conceptual content from the performance I tend to lose all desire to interact.

There is a lot of skill involved in effective communication. Much less so in stream of consciousness text output where we flirt with simile & metaphor in an increasingly recursive manner.

Especially if we want to actually have others TRY to understand us. Instead of remain on our pedestal of "I am too above everyone to be understood".

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

When I have to work extremely hard to separate the useful conceptual content from the performance I tend to lose all desire to interact.

There is a lot of skill involved in effective communication. Much less so in stream of consciousness text output where we flirt with simile & metaphor in an increasingly recursive manner.

Especially if we want to actually have others TRY to understand us. Instead of remain on our pedestal of "I am too above everyone to be understood".

I think what are really doing is just sharing our own perspectives.