Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[lostingenosmaze]

What's even funnier about this sloppy callout is that he didn't bother to watch any of Leo's recent 3-hour videos or blogposts and only repeated the same info other sloptubers said years ago. There's actually tons of clips and wild shit Leo has said recently that they could strawman and take out-of-context if they really wanted to sensationalize this epistemic garbage but ironically they're too epistemically lazy for even that 💀

Edited 8 hours ago by lostingenosmaze

[LordFall]

There is only one solution.

Challenge each to a debate 

[Terell Kirby]

For most normies, making cult accusations is often easier than doing the actual practices.

Ego loves the path of least resistance.

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[Jodistrict]

Unicult is the only one I have seriously thought of joining.  They openly call themselves a cult, as noted by the name, to filter out people who don’t want to belong to a cult. 

[Hojo]

@Jodistrict I really dont see a problem with cults. It gives flavour to society. Imagine having 20 000 thousand flavours of religion in one society.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

The only serious thing Actualized.org has going for it regarding the cult accusation is that the "leader" claims to have knowledge that exceeds anybody else in (as far as he claims to know) the entire world (and that this is the highest knowledge you can seek). This is different from merely claiming you have access to some Absolute truth.

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[Terell Kirby]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The only serious thing Actualized.org has going for it regarding the cult accusation is that the "leader" claims to have knowledge that exceeds anybody else in (as far as he knows) the entire world (and that this is the highest knowledge you can seek).

Yes .. and that we can achieve it too

[MarkKol]

the emojis are super unececcery

I don't automatically believe everything Leo says about God and consciousness, I'm willing to try psychedelics later to  discover for myself, but he's not the only proponent of them, I would've tried them soley off JRE.

Not that it helps me to believe in anything, Belief is a weak mechanism for truth and I didn't need Leo to tell me that. 

I can believe with absolute certainty that there is a bloodthirsty wolf just outside my house, waiting to kill me and be 100% wrong about that. If I can believe in anything and everything, it practically means that belief is useless. 

this matters because I think cults are all based on belief, and that's just not something that I have in this case.

[Someone here]

it’s not a cult at all . This is a healthy community and we disagree with each others and with Leo about “the basics” and he tolerates questioning and allow people to say counter things to his entire worldview and deep convictions.   To call this community a cult  The real question is whether the community suppresses critical thinking and asks absolute obedience to Leo or brainwashing people.  None of that is happening here .

 

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[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The only serious thing Actualized.org has going for it regarding the cult accusation is that the "leader" claims to have knowledge that exceeds anybody else in (as far as he claims to know) the entire world (and that this is the highest knowledge you can seek). This is different from merely claiming you have access to some Absolute truth.

 Yes what the other guy told you . Leo also says you can have the same insights that he had. Is the “leader”treated as unquestionable authority here? Big no .

Is independent thinking encouraged or discouraged? Encouraged. 
then it is not a cult . 

Edited 5 hours ago by Someone here

[Rishabh R]

@lostingenosmaze I think that not giving a F--- about what this YouTuber says or do is the key for us to move forward despite hate since there will always be haters and lovers in our lives.

[IslandWild]

Over the many years I've actually been strangely overjoyed anytime Actualized has been called a cult, and have had zero desire to defend it despite my varying levels of fondness and attachment. In fact I wish it would happen a bit more often so it acts as a deterrent to scare the hordes of normies and keep them far away. I've noticed anytime something becomes too popular and well known it inevitably has to corrupt and morph itself to appeal to the demands of the masses, typically becoming something unrecognizable. In the worst cases self-destructing completely.

In the big sea of life, stumbling across Actualized and Leo has been like finding a small, precious island to save one from drowning, or at the very least give you enough direction and sustenance to go out swimming again. I wouldn't want such valuable esoteric knowledge to be contaminated by the urge to share it to every living soul.

I've rarely every shared any Actualized videos or content with anyone over the years. If the cards align people will find it when they need it. I just try to improve myself using the content I've needed so I can pay it forward to the world by being an example.

 

[caspex]

Honestly if a critic actually used this forum for a year they would realize Leo isn't even mentioned most of the time. There are no signs of Actualized.org being a cult beyond the radical claims.

To use deaths associated with this forum to call it a cult is in Bad Faith. Many deaths are associated even with science and the scientific method, is science a cult? No because it actually works and encourages asking questions. Maybe you'd think there's no comparing science to this forum, that's alright, but it's important to see the context in which those tragedies took place.

As for the asking questions part, that's the same with this community. Nobody asks you to obey Leo, I don't even think about Leo when I use this forum. The nature of this work is such that some people will fuck up badly despite all the warnings, it doesn't matter if Leo is managing it or anybody else for that matter. 

Psychedelics do work and there is apt research going on at such. Just because science hasn't caught up doesn't mean it's not true. Besides, there's a whole 1hour33min video specifically about the dangers of psychedelics; on top of various other videos about the traps of spiritual work. 

The work is dangerous and maybe the biggest mistake is for this to be as openly available as it is in the first place. But if you make it a more closed system you're even more of a cult in the eyes of critics. There's no appealing to critics. 

If the reader of this message is somebody who's coming in from that video or a critic, know that unlike a cult, nobody is asking you to join and obey Leo, or even do this work for that matter. It's in your will to come in here and judge for yourself. I only ask you to judge fairly and in good faith.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by caspex