Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[lostingenosmaze]

What's even funnier about this sloppy callout is that he didn't bother to watch any of Leo's recent 3-hour videos or blogposts and only repeated the same info other sloptubers said years ago. There's actually tons of clips and wild shit Leo has said recently that they could strawman and take out-of-context if they really wanted to sensationalize this epistemic garbage but ironically they're too epistemically lazy for even that 💀

Edited May 11 by lostingenosmaze

[LordFall]

There is only one solution.

Challenge each to a debate 

[Terell Kirby]

For most normies, making cult accusations is often easier than doing the actual practices.

Ego loves the path of least resistance.

Edited May 11 by Terell Kirby

[Jodistrict]

Unicult is the only one I have seriously thought of joining.  They openly call themselves a cult, as noted by the name, to filter out people who don’t want to belong to a cult. 

[Hojo]

@Jodistrict I really dont see a problem with cults. It gives flavour to society. Imagine having 20 000 thousand flavours of religion in one society.

Edited May 11 by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

The only serious thing Actualized.org has going for it regarding the cult accusation is that the "leader" claims to have knowledge that exceeds anybody else in (as far as he claims to know) the entire world (and that this is the highest knowledge you can seek). This is different from merely claiming you have access to some Absolute truth.

Edited May 11 by Carl-Richard

[Terell Kirby]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The only serious thing Actualized.org has going for it regarding the cult accusation is that the "leader" claims to have knowledge that exceeds anybody else in (as far as he knows) the entire world (and that this is the highest knowledge you can seek).

Yes .. and that we can achieve it too

[MarkKol]

the emojis are super unececcery

I don't automatically believe everything Leo says about God and consciousness, I'm willing to try psychedelics later to  discover for myself, but he's not the only proponent of them, I would've tried them soley off JRE.

Not that it helps me to believe in anything, Belief is a weak mechanism for truth and I didn't need Leo to tell me that. 

I can believe with absolute certainty that there is a bloodthirsty wolf just outside my house, waiting to kill me and be 100% wrong about that. If I can believe in anything and everything, it practically means that belief is useless. 

this matters because I think cults are all based on belief, and that's just not something that I have in this case.

[Someone here]

it’s not a cult at all . This is a healthy community and we disagree with each others and with Leo about “the basics” and he tolerates questioning and allow people to say counter things to his entire worldview and deep convictions.   To call this community a cult  The real question is whether the community suppresses critical thinking and asks absolute obedience to Leo or brainwashing people.  None of that is happening here .

 

Edited May 12 by Someone here

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The only serious thing Actualized.org has going for it regarding the cult accusation is that the "leader" claims to have knowledge that exceeds anybody else in (as far as he claims to know) the entire world (and that this is the highest knowledge you can seek). This is different from merely claiming you have access to some Absolute truth.

 Yes what the other guy told you . Leo also says you can have the same insights that he had. Is the “leader”treated as unquestionable authority here? Big no .

Is independent thinking encouraged or discouraged? Encouraged. 
then it is not a cult . 

Edited May 12 by Someone here

[Rishabh R]

@lostingenosmaze I think that not giving a F--- about what this YouTuber says or do is the key for us to move forward despite hate since there will always be haters and lovers in our lives.

[caspex]

Honestly if a critic actually used this forum for a year they would realize Leo isn't even mentioned most of the time. There are no signs of Actualized.org being a cult beyond the radical claims.

To use deaths associated with this forum to call it a cult is in Bad Faith. Many deaths are associated even with science and the scientific method, is science a cult? No because it actually works and encourages asking questions. Maybe you'd think there's no comparing science to this forum, that's alright, but it's important to see the context in which those tragedies took place.

As for the asking questions part, that's the same with this community. Nobody asks you to obey Leo, I don't even think about Leo when I use this forum. The nature of this work is such that some people will fuck up badly despite all the warnings, it doesn't matter if Leo is managing it or anybody else for that matter. 

Psychedelics do work and there is apt research going on at such. Just because science hasn't caught up doesn't mean it's not true. Besides, there's a whole 1hour33min video specifically about the dangers of psychedelics; on top of various other videos about the traps of spiritual work. 

The work is dangerous and maybe the biggest mistake is for this to be as openly available as it is in the first place. But if you make it a more closed system you're even more of a cult in the eyes of critics. There's no appealing to critics. 

If the reader of this message is somebody who's coming in from that video or a critic, know that unlike a cult, nobody is asking you to join and obey Leo, or even do this work for that matter. It's in your will to come in here and judge for yourself. I only ask you to judge fairly and in good faith.

 

Edited May 12 by caspex

[Basman]

The first impression of many normies is that it's a cult in my experience. Most people don't even know what a personal development is, so they see it as strange and a little snake oily. It's free real estate for drama farmers after Leo's "I'm god" arc.

Edited May 12 by Basman

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I listed to it. Felt like he needed filler for his content in the video and squished a square peg into the cult hole. Pad that shit my man, pad it hard.

Fucken marshmallow into a coinslot. 'chat' room. It's a fucken forum dude. They ain't new.

Edited May 12 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Fucken marshmallow into a coinslot. 'chat' room. It's a fucken forum dude. They ain't new.

lol hahaha 

the guy is probably using AI auto tune editing his voice . He looks Asian and has Asian accent . The comment section is adorable also . 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

56 minutes ago, Someone here said:

lol hahaha 

the guy is probably using AI auto tune editing his voice . He looks Asian and has Asian accent . The comment section is adorable also . 

I haven't even gotten to the comment section yet ... 

Can't wait 😈💀 

Now you mention it, he may have just asked ChatGPT to trawl the website and net for a summary and slapped it in. So much chit is being churned out these days I almost feel like I can only trust face to face.

Edited May 12 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Cred]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Jodistrict I really dont see a problem with cults. It gives flavour to society. Imagine having 20 000 thousand flavors of religion in one society.

I recently came to the same conclusion. When the leader of a cult is not a narcissist, then it is not a bad thing at all.

The reason why cults are so intense is because they fulfill humans genuine desire for meaning and community beyond capitalism.

I can actually imagine founding a cult one day. The reason why I have been less active lately is because I'm working on formalizing a philosophical system to be the foundation of a potential new religious movement.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Cred said:

The reason why cults are so intense is because they fulfill humans genuine desire for meaning and community beyond capitalism.

I'll add - authority. 

Humans love authority. Most don't want to admit it, let alone recognise it! 

[Basman]

24 minutes ago, Cred said:

I recently came to the same conclusion. When the leader of a cult is not a narcissist, then it is not a bad thing at all.

The reason why cults are so intense is because they fulfill humans genuine desire for meaning and community beyond capitalism.

It exploits that but it's real function is to extract value from its followers and subvert society. The intensity is part of the brainwashing.

Cults always want to overtrow the government if they get big enough.

[Carl-Richard]

On 12.5.2026 at 3:15 AM, Someone here said:

 Yes what the other guy told you . Leo also says you can have the same insights that he had. Is the “leader”treated as unquestionable authority here? Big no .

There is like a spectrum of the alleged authority of the leader:

• At the very top-end, nobody is like the leader and nobody will ever be like them. That's like the peak Heaven's Gate type cult (not sure how accurate this is, but you get the point).
• Then under that you have where nobody is like the leader currently but that may change or is promised as a possibility. That's where Actualized is at.
• Then you have where the leader does not treat themselves as supreme and there are other examples of the same level of realization or teachings (but they still claim to be pointing to an Absolute truth). That would be perhaps some contemporary non-duality communities (maybe Sadhguru, Spira, Tolle).
• Then you simply have leaders or communities that claim special knowledge that is not necessarily absolute (or the leader is just charismatic) and they draw people in and exist on the margins of society. Perhaps Charles Manson's cult (I'm actually not sure of that example either, but again, you get the point).

Regardless of this, the point is that the more power is given to the leader, deliberately or not, the more cultish the dynamics become. The siloing from the larger society and the various psychological dynamics become stronger. And it doesn't matter that the concrete teachings are about independence of thought or becoming aware of self-bias or whatever clever and virtuous teachings that make the members feel like they're in control. The fact that the leader proclaims to be in that position of power, creates conflict with such teachings, and it will play on the members' psyches in pernicious ways. And such teachings will be used to protect the teacher. "You're just not openminded enough". "Be aware of your projections and biases". "You're too attached to your survival story". You can watch the Bentinho testimonies for all this.

Cult dynamics are notoriously tricky and shifty and may play in large part under the surface in line with ego defense mechanisms of the members (suppress, deny, accommodate) and systemic effects across members (scapegoating, keeping the peace, maintaining group harmony, etc.). And again, the concrete teachings can create a false sense of security and even perpetuate the very cult dynamics they are purported to prevent.

Edited May 16 by Carl-Richard