Leo

[Leo Gura]

Yes, over ten years, I did post a few dozen posts that I regret and wish I could take back.

24/7/365 access to an online platform is dangerous because state and mood fuctuates.

Edited yesterday at 10:23 AM by Leo Gura

[Monster Energy]

@Leo Gura 

Is there ever going to be a day when you actually lay out everything you think you know about existence in detail? Even if there aren’t perfect words for it, are you at least going to try?

 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Monster Energy said:

@Leo Gura 

Is there ever going to be a day when you actually lay out everything you think you know about existence in detail? Even if there aren’t perfect words for it, are you at least going to try?

I have laid out a lot.

But yes. Books and courses are planned.

Edited yesterday at 10:24 AM by Leo Gura

[Monster Energy]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, over ten years, I did post a few dozen posts that I regret and wish I could take back.

Got it. But earlier you made it sound like if people actually knew or experienced what you have, it wouldn’t end well. That’s how I read it anyway, I was skimming.

 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

But earlier you made it sound like if people actually knew or experienced what you have, it wouldn’t end well.

Not sure what you mean.

[Monster Energy]

@Leo Gura 

[Leo Gura]

Where did I say it doesn't end well?

The work is difficult. But you already knew that.

And I am hardcore. Most of y'all don't need to do what I do. I have a much higher standard to meet as a teacher that you don't need to reach as a civilian.

I have to know this material better than anyone on the planet. So I do some hardcore things to reach that which you guys don't need to do.

Edited yesterday at 11:20 AM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

46 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

@Leo Gura 

I think this points toward the limits of intimacy that can be achieved through a large social platform with some degree of anonymity to it. 

Radical honesty would be used against Leo imo. Which is why it is understandable there are some levels of intimacy never expounded upon.

Anyone in Leo's position would be wise to never ever reveal anything deeply personal through online mediums. 

Obviously this will lead to some level of disconnection from users / followers.  + Isolation for Leo (to a degree). The caveat being, it may dehumanise him in a way and justify some harsh judgement from others. From another pov it could be looked at as professionalism.

On the flipside, this means we only have his choice of expression to judge - and this topic is highlighting some of the worst of it. And it is not professional. 

Edited yesterday at 11:33 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[ici]

2 hours ago, Sincerity said:

@zurew You know, I was a Mod here already when he made the aggressive posts. After seeing them, I was considering giving up my Mod position. But I decided to stick with it because "heck, I trust that it will pass. He's a good guy." And it did.

Shoulda given up your mod. My man gave me like 100 warnings 🤣

[Sincerity]

I think that many people unknowingly go with Leo into an unhealthy child-parent dynamic. As a rebel child, it can be felt as okay to shit on your parent because the parent is seen as "invincible". The child doesn't take responsibility for its indecency and unjust behaviour towards the parent, because it sees the parent as always above them.

This can be a basic dynamic when one feels that someone is an authority figure above them - not just a parent, but also eg. politicians, employers, teachers.

So it's "okay" to be unjust towards authority figures, ridicule, bemean, troll them. And the "authority" will probably not stoop to the same level and do the same to the "child", because they have a different view of the world since there is probably some reason why they're seen as this authority in the first place.

Will Leo ever make a thread here "here's all the unhinged shit Carl has said in his 16,000 posts"? And then pick 10 out of these 16K? Will Leo hyperfocus on another user's worldview and things they said and make it his mission to disprove that worldview? No. It's children who try to disprove the authority.

My point is that if you saw Leo as an equal, as the fellow human that he IS, you wouldn't need to go on a mission to disprove him. You would just focus on yourself. You would forgive the mistakes. Perhaps shift to another teacher who resonates more. But it's the people who DO see him internally as an authority that just HAVE to bring him down a peg. Basically, people insecure in their worldview.

In order to "heal", the child must let go of its childishness and acknowledge its lack of ownership for its indecent actions and attachment to the authority figure.

Here are a few clarifications:

• Even when someone is an equal, one can still recognize that this equal is much better at a particular than them. So there can be listening and a humble attitude for that particular thing. While still recognizing that the teacher is "one of us", that we have to treat him with love and understanding.
• Disagreement is of course healthy and it's fair to bring everyone's unconsciousness to light, if one perceives it. As long as it's done in a loving manner, it's completely fine. But a position of "I just have to debunk everything this person stands for" is not fine.
• I was speaking in general here, not just about the original post.

Edited yesterday at 12:08 PM by Sincerity

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't do these attacks.

Keep the discussion respectful.

it's litteraly irony over irony, it was so obvious, read it again, find god.

 

[Sincerity]

18 minutes ago, ici said:

Shoulda given up your mod. My man gave me like 100 warnings 🤣

See this is exactly what I'm talking about in the post I just wrote above. Because I'm a Mod here ("""an authority""" 👻), you feel like it's okay to be unkind to me and lie. A perfect example.

I gave you 2 warnings. Two. One was for calling another user a hoe. And that was in 2024, btw.

So that's that.

Edited yesterday at 11:55 AM by Sincerity

[PolyPeter]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The future can be better. That's what I work on every day.

✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨

[PolyPeter]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not care about other teachers. The only thing I care about is getting people to reach the consciousness I know exists.

This caught my eye

You said you don't care about teachers, only about getting people to the consciousness you know exists.

But consider: if a teacher with ten thousand followers actually reaches those states and comes back changed, their students don't need convincing. They don't believe it because you said so. They update because the person they already trust went somewhere real and returned different.

That's verified experience propagating through existing trust networks.

One awakened teacher might do more for your goal than years of direct outreach.

And yes, most teachers don't know how deep this goes.
That's exactly the point.
Imagine what happens when they find out.

[zurew]

Let me try this untransparent, vague targeted ,insincere way of writing a message ,where you dont tag or name the people  who you try to target with your message , but you will make a couple of passive agressive and belittling remarks along the way and if they respond to your message, you can claim that you didnt directly target them.

 

 

Our skeptic standard allow us to confidently psychoanalyze and confidently make assessments and claims about why others would dare to criticize our "equal" that we praise  and run more  defense for, than for any of our other "equals"  - based on a couple of their posts ,while not knowing any of them (like not even remotely close).

Im not sure where the loving charitable attitude and standard applied there, when you need to make those assessment and judgement about others?  It seems to be the case, that its only applicable to one special equal of ours and it seems to be the case, that certain equals are less equal than others.

But its also the case, we cant be sure about other things that we have orders of magnitude more content avalaible on (like about the obvious fact that Leo is not open minded).

 

 

Its also the case, that interestingly, we have no substantive disagreement with Leo on spirituality and we are "open minded" to the fact that he might be more awake than anyone else, but when it comes to all of our other "equals" we are infinitely more skeptical and we would never entertain and give the same credence if they would claim the same.

In fact, Interestingly, we will endlessly debate everyone who disagrees with this specific equal of ours  on spirituality, but we dont have any single substantive line of questioning or debate with this special equal on spirituality.

 

We contemplate the idea that we will leave being a  mod , but we dont say a single thing when the unhinged behavior is done by this special equal of ours - in fact, we do the exact opposite, we give a hardcore "dont yell at me 😳 👉👈"message to our biggest equal  and then we proceeded to say nothing when the "I could beat you up with a crowbar" claim occurs (in the exact same thread), and we  also have nothing to say when our biggest equal bans flowboy and makes his unhinged threat statements.

 

The only single person who had the spine to stand up, speak up  and leave being a mod when the unhinged behavior occured was @Ulax.

 

And btw, the unjust insecure childish behavior from Carl was literally just him creating this thread where he linked a couple of  Leo's posts from the past.

[manuel bon]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

So I am less provocative now.

In what way would you say that you are less provocative? I don’t meant to criticise or judge, but in the interview with demostifiysci I saw that sometimes they asked a question and you laughed, or had some kind of superior/arrogant way of replying, and that seemed provocative.

I’ve been following you for a long time, I really see you as my teacher, and I have to say that I love everything you’ve done, and how much you’ve helped me indirectly. But I didn't like that way of acting in the interview, I thought you would not communicate like that.

[Scholar]

I still think people overcomplicate this a little.

Leo's journey clearly is a quest. A quest that started to form during his childhood, if his reports are accurate. Who knows what caused it, some mild form of autism or narcissism, maybe an inferiority complex, a combination of all, or whatever else.

He clearly had a need to make himself stand out, to see the "corruption" in society, to scoff at the ignorance of others. He was more rational than others and he would prove that to himself. When he got into self-improvement, he stumbled upon something that gave him the ultimate key to this, the only rational thing to care about, the ultimate truth about reality. He could go beyond the ignorance and corruption of mankind and finally set himself apart in an unquestionable way, at least in his own mind.

And this psychological drive towards achieving the most meaningful thing a human being can achieve and setting oneself apart from the rest of the fools around, basically explains all this behavior.

The meaning attributed to discovering the nature of reality will always be a reaction of a human ego. This is basically a classic form of spiritual ego, just that it affects a higher than average intelligent mind.

 

There is no such thing as an ultimate teacher, anyone who is still breathing and alive has a functioning human psychology, and everything they do and say is a result of those functions.

 

And how will you ever know the truth? You will just do what Leo did? If people like me are correct, then the result will be that you will simply repeat his insights, not because it is Ultimate Truth, but simply because you went down the same trap he did.

You are taking substances that put the human psyche under a load that it simply is not supposed to experience. How could you possibly know that these experiences do not induce permanent, irrevocable delusions in a human mind? Just because 2, 10 or a thousand people report the same doesn't mean it is true, it just means that human minds have predictable reactions to certain substances.

[Sincerity]

@zurew Again, godspeed to you.

[Bufo Alvarius]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That was ages ago.

No.

I did way crazier shit than that.

Are you saying that after your 30 day 5-MeO retreat, during which God showed you how to love ever more deeply, and during which there was even a period when you were no longer able to close the singularity pulling you in during your sleep, you then went on to do another 90-day 5-MeO retreat?? 

And during that retreat, you did realize even more radical things, what you call something 'way beyond human nonduality'?

Are you going to lay out these insights for us, or explain the implications of your realizations?

After all, you seem to be the first human being to have accomplished something this radical.

Edited 20 hours ago by Bufo Alvarius

[Carl-Richard]

11 hours ago, Sincerity said:

Bro, you’re not even 30 and you’re justifying a closed mind. 🤦‍♂️ Wtf am I reading? I assume this was a „joke”, but I feel like there’s honesty there shining through.

This was the humoristic part of the conversation, where everything that needed to be said had been said and we came to a respectful conclusion, yes with jokes and laughter. That you still are carrying some tension throughout that exchange, might be indicative of something. Is there something you have on your heart that you want to say? I've always wanted to say that Leo might benefit from therapy in some way or another. And I think this was a great way of saying it, it went much better than I had expected, I did not plan it either, it simply happened because it was maybe the right thing to happen (or not, who knows).

As for having a closed mind, I've already said to you directly that I can't know whether Leo is the most awake person in the universe or not and I should have an open mind about that. I'm only saying what I think and feel (just like Leo is saying what he thinks and feels that no other teachers are as awake as him). This was also said in the part of the earlier post about you should perhaps trust your estimation of things sometimes and that "I should have an open mind", even if it can be a virtuous position to have (which it often is), can be a way of fooling yourself. It's never an either/or answer to these things. It depends on what you think and your sense of what is right and reasonable in a given situation.

Edited 18 hours ago by Carl-Richard