Leo

[Carl-Richard]

On 15.3.2026 at 0:41 AM, Inliytened1 said:

@UnbornTao I think the bigger message is it doesn't matter.  His videos combined with spiritual practices and/or psychedelics can give you the ultimate realization that you are God and that all teachers were always you.  It was you teaching yourself. That's the take away. All this other stuff is just background noise.  Don't be distracted by it.

Does being highly egoic, highly judgemental, highly in need of asserting superiority, to put things down, to speak in a highly charged and emotional language, affect your ability to see things clearly, to make contact with reality, or not?

Consider that you might dislike many arrogant statements not because they are arrogant but because you think they are untrue. It might not be as much that you dislike the statement "I'm the most awake person in the universe" because it's arrogant, but because you think it's in any reasonable estimation not true.

And you should sometimes trust your estimation of things. They might be entirely correct, and you might be fooling yourself that they aren't, perhaps for some other virtuous reason: "I can be given Absolute Truth, if only I accept this possibility. Maybe the arrogance is just noise, maybe my strong disgust and disbelief is an ego-defense mechanism". And that's ironically a perfect way to self-deceive yourself.

And what's the alternative to making such harsh and egoic statements about everything (and I mean literally everything, read Leo's blog, as @Joshe pointed out and which you should be perfectly aware of by now anyway)? What is it that Leo puts down so often? What is it that these other teachers teach where the goal is seeing through the illusion of the ego, seeing through the illusion of flashy experiences, of cool insights into the play of mind and Maya? It's the teaching of Enlightenment.

What is it that countless of highly conscious and respectful and virtuous people have left the forum over or been kicked out over for daring to speak favorly of? @Moksha @Nahm @Tim R @mandyjw @Consilience Enlightenment. Are you for enlightenment or are you for chasing ever more flashy and impressive experiences, ever more flashy hallucinations during psychedelic trips, ever more flashy existential insights thrown up by your hallucinatory human mind? Just so you're not confused, Leo seems to be quite clearly for the latter, not the former.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[ici]

He was just talking from the point of view of the universe. Read these quotes as if you said them yourself.

There is no distinction between self and other. Leo claimed he’s the most conscious but there is no third party that could act as a judge to verify this. It would require higher levels of consciousness and you can’t go higher than highest.

Only the universe could verify the validity of these statements but it doesn’t need to because it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or false. The universe speaks to itself therefore there is no other to prove its consciousness to.

[Terell Kirby]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I said unhinged shit because I became conscious of unhinged shit.

The master will forever be misunderstood by his/her students and society at large as long as they remain unconscious of what the master is conscious of.

This is a universal law of Awakening that many don’t understand.

Though there’s always room for improvement, you’ve handled it quite well over the years.

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Joshe said:

The traits themselves aren't the issue. You can have all those traits without being organized around superiority.

I have said many times, it is not about superiority. It is about depth of understanding reality.

Obviously being superior to other people means nothing at all. There is no happiness to be found in feeling superior. This is a foolish thing to even care about.

The goal is depth of understanding. And this is difficult to achieve, involving serious mental and emotional struggle. Some of that struggle you see in me since I am public about it.

Understanding is real and has nothing to do with flashy experiences.

You guys keep taking me for a fool.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

The master will forever be misunderstood by his/her students and society at large as long as they remain unconscious of what the master is conscious of.

I don't consider myself a master.

Again, I am not as arrogant as I might seem. I am very conscious of my limits.

[ici]

Can we not distract Leo with this shit?

I would much rather have him continue his work on deconstructing reality.

Not many people have the energy or desire to do what he does so I’m inclined to cut him some slack by default.

[Terell Kirby]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't consider myself a master.

That's fair- but i feel you're being modest here.

I consider you a master in the field of deconstructing reality, I can do this without putting you on some pedestal.

6 minutes ago, ici said:

Can we not distract Leo with this shit?

I would much rather have him continue his work on deconstructing reality.

This ain't about you

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[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Terell Kirby said:

That's fair- but you're being modest here.

No. I am serious.

This work is so deep that I am not a master at it. That is the truth.

1 minute ago, Terell Kirby said:

I consider you a master in the field of deconstructing reality

In the field of epistemology, that might be true. But not in the field of spirituality.

[Joshe]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have said many times, it is not about superiority. It is about depth of understanding reality.

Obviously being superior to other people means nothing at all.

Have you ever wondered why you have to keep saying it so much and why so many people keep arriving at the same read year after year? 

If I were you and if superiority truly meant nothing to me, I'd be really curious and want to get to the bottom of why people kept getting the wrong impression of me so I could set the record straight for myself moreso than others. I'd be interested in that explanation. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

@Carl-Richard If you are saying that you want me to be more mature in my communications, I agree with you and I am and will be doing that.

That is an important aspect of my work that I am improving. And I am open to hearing suggestions for how to improve that.

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[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Have you ever wondered why you have to keep saying it so much and why so many people keep arriving at the same read year after year? 

If I were you and if superiority truly meant nothing to me, I'd be really curious and want to get to the bottom of why people kept getting the wrong impression of me so I could set the record straight. I'd be interested in that explanation. 

Of course I've analyzed this a lot.

When I try to communicate very radical degrees of consciousness to you guys, you interpret it as me trying to be superior to other teachers, when I am honestly just trying to communicate a very radical degree of consciousness.

I don't know how else to communicate it.

I do not care about other teachers. The only thing I care about is getting people to reach the consciousness I know exists.

I know for sure that there exist levels of consciousness which enlightenment teachers will never lead you to. Stuff that Ralston and Rupert Spira will never lead you to. That's the rub.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Carl-Richard If you are saying that you want me to be more mature in my communications, I agree with you and I am and will be doing that.

That is an important aspect of my work that I am improving.

I mean, you can say that, but is that really like you? Could it maybe be a deeply ingrained thing? Perhaps a trauma thing? Have you gone to therapy before?

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I mean, you can say that, but is that really like you?

Of course it's like me. I grow every year. You haven't even noticed yet how much I grew in the last 2 years.

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Could it maybe be a deeply ingrained thing?

Of course the self is hard to change. The self is always deeply ingrained. It can't change overnight.

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Perhaps a trauma thing? Have you gone to therapy before?

I used psychedelics to clear out all my trauma. There is none left.

Sure, ego is left. But that is being worked on.

What you point out is ego and self. Yeah, that needs work.

It's also an issue of communication style. That also needs work.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I used psychedelics to clear out all my trauma. There is none left.

Do you see, considering me and other's critiques on how psychedelics impact your mind, how that might be a problem? Could perhaps an outside view be pertinent for this kind of work? 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Do you see, considering me and other's critiques on how psychedelics impact your mind

There's no disagreement. They impact the mind greatly. In positive and negative ways both. The negatives are short-term, the postives are long-term.

Psychedelics make the mind unstable. But that instability resolves long-term.

My mind is more stable today than ever.

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how that might be a problem?

Explained above.

Instability is a classic problem is spiritual work. It is not specific to psychedelics. Meditation creates it too. Therapy can create it too. Intense self-inquiry.

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Could perhaps an outside view be pertinent for this kind of work? 

I'm just clear that I don't have trauma. But I have no way of proving it to you. You'll just have to believe me. I have not had a traumatic life.

What you think is trauma is just ego.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There's no disagreement. They impact the mind greatly. In positive and negative ways both. The negatives are short-term, the postives are long-term.

We're claiming they affect how you evaluate your own mind, and it might not be limited to just the short-term. After all, the insights during the trips stay with you after the trip, do they not?

 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm just clear that I don't have trauma. But I have no way of proving it to you. You'll just have to believe me. I have not had a traumatic life.

Imagine telling somebody to take psychedelics and that it might be hugely beneficial for their life, and they answer "I'm just clear that it won't". Trauma is as illusive as it is subtle. That trauma must be hard and obvious is a deep misunderstanding.

Not even as a curiosity you're willing to explore your own mind from the outside?

Edited 57 minutes ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

28 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

We're claiming they affect how you evaluate your own mind, and it might not be limited to just the short-term. After all, the insights during the trips stay with you after the trip, do they not?

In the end we all have no choice but to evaluate ourselves. Even if I go to a therapist, I still have to decide whether what she says is true or not, or worth the money to go come back. And I still have to tell her my traumas. It's not like she will tell them for me.

There is no avoiding this issue of self-evaluation. That's why self-deception is such an inescapable bitch.

I will never be immune to self-deception, and neither will you.

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Imagine telling somebody to take psychedelics and that it might be hugely beneficial for their life, and they answer "I'm just clear that it won't". Trauma is as illusive as it's subtle. That trauma must be hard and obvious is a deep misunderstanding.

You are speaking theoretically. That doesn't mean I have trauma. You don't know if I do.

Don't you think it's wrong to convince someone he has trauma when you don't really know? How is that wise or responsible?

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Not even as a curiosity you're willing to explore your own mind from the outside?

I am not opposed to therapy. I have considered it in the past just for the experience of it.

I have gone to a psychic therapist in the past. She would read my mind and tell me my traumas, haha. Some of what she said was right, some was wrong. Mixed bag.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In the end we all have not choice but to evaluate ourselves. Even if I go to a therapist, I still have to decide whether what she says is true or not, or worth the money to go come back.

There is no avoiding this issue of self-evaluation. That's why self-deception is such an inescapable bitch.

You are speaking theoretically. That doesn't mean I have trauma. You don't know if I do.

Don't you think it's wrong to convince someone he has trauma when you don't really know? How is that wise or responsible?

I'm merely suggesting a possible tool for you, sir. My feeling is you have something from the past that is driving something in the now. It might not be big, it might not be flashy, it might not even be interesting. But it might explain a lot of what is going on. But yes, feel free to not listen to my feeling. But then I will not listen to your feeling that "other teachers are not awake", how about that?  

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[CARDOZZO]

Just put Truth/Absolute Consciousness as your #1 priority in life. You will see your whole mind-body shifiting instantly, you become more powerful, detached, awake, conscious. 

I have work to do. 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But then I will not listen to your feeling that "other teachers are not awake", how about that?

In the end, everything comes down to who is right?

You place your bet, and I will place mine, and we'll see if the coin is heads or tails.

Heads I win, tails you lose

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura