Being a real philosopher is a dirty job

[Alexop]

11 hours ago, Human Mint said:

That's only if you decide to do so, obviously.

Like you could just isolate yourself and do philosophy.

Of course, and this is what most serious philosophers do. Some come in front and deliver a sugar coated version of their understanding to the public. Not even Leo delivered his whole worldview to the public, even if he is the most straightforward philosopher I know. He held back his blackpill video, he deleted his solipsism video. He got massive backlash against some claims too. He saw it is counterproductive.

Edited February 5 by Alexop

[Alexop]

29 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Alexop

You have some mid to strong observations that are now clearly layered in some frustration.

I would recommend asking yourself how philosophy may be affecting your life personally, before we argue generalities.

Obviously it affects my survival, it does the same to you if you are really serious about this work. And it especially affects your survival if you have a strong masculine personality. 

Why do we say: Ignorance is bliss?

Edited February 4 by Alexop

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Alexop said:

I wanted to become a Leo figure since childhood, but realizing these facts in the recent years, I don't really know if I want to push so much truth onto people anymore.

Truth should not be pushed on people. There are still people who want truth, and that's enough. You don't need to force it.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth should not be pushed on people. There are still people who want truth, and that's enough. You don't need to force it.

The problem Leo is that we dont have a sort of compass or structured way to spot fast if someone is one who want truth. Of course I can spot the ones who dont give a fuck about it. But the ones who may want Truth to the levels that you present or propose dont give explicit clues about that desire. If we just had some core questions to test the waters if some would be a recipent ready for even the beggining. I said here already that I tried gently share one of your videos, not even one of the most mindfucking ones to a good friend that I thought was opeiminded, some that even did a lot of psycadelics. And she couldn't even watch for 5 minutes. Someone who knows me and had sit in ceremony next to me with big doses of ayahuasca. And even she couldn't care about a video about Truth. So imagine a normy.

[Leo Gura]

@Rafael Thundercat Of course that level of caring about truth is rare.

You don't proactively go out looking for people to push your work on. You create your work and wait for people to come to you.

Philosophy is a niche thing, period. Always was.

Edited February 5 by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

If you want to experience real pushback, start teaching spiritual enlightenment seriously and directly.  This is worse than teaching philosophy in terms of being a glutton for punishment.  And it will be all the spiritual teachers who will attack you, and people will call you a cult leader.

[Oppositionless]

10 hours ago, Alexop said:

 In order to realize deep Tier 2 actualization requires maybe 15 years of suffering. 

 

Sure but a little more awareness can reduce the amount drastically . You could have 15 years of normal up and down or 15 years of cancer.

[Joseph Maynor]

11 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Philosophy can be extremely intimate.  Pure Philosophy = Love Philosophy.

I love this.  This is next level for most people.  Beautiful.

[Alexop]

6 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The problem Leo is that we dont have a sort of compass or structured way to spot fast if someone is one who want truth. Of course I can spot the ones who dont give a fuck about it. But the ones who may want Truth to the levels that you present or propose dont give explicit clues about that desire. If we just had some core questions to test the waters if some would be a recipent ready for even the beggining. I said here already that I tried gently share one of your videos, not even one of the most mindfucking ones to a good friend that I thought was opeiminded, some that even did a lot of psycadelics. And she couldn't even watch for 5 minutes. Someone who knows me and had sit in ceremony next to me with big doses of ayahuasca. And even she couldn't care about a video about Truth. So imagine a normy.

Exactly! You never know how much truth to reveal. This happened to me also! I shared the recent video about truth to a friend and was too much. I talked a lot about masculinity vs femininity with her and she was open-minded about it.

But Leo's statements that a woman is generally more prone to corruption because she tends to follow her feelings and feelings can be deceiving was too much. She said he is a misogynist. I forgot Leo said that in that video 😆 wouldn't have sent it to her.

Even those who claim that they are open to truth can close up rapidly.

Edited February 5 by Alexop

[Alexop]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth should not be pushed on people. There are still people who want truth, and that's enough. You don't need to force it.

100%. I totally understand that. I did not want to sound in that way.

You have to intuite if a person is ready to hear something or not. How much truth is the person able to handle? Even if they say they are open to it, they might not. It is a dirty work because you deal with people's egos. You can fail not because your work is shit, you can fail because your work is too good, if you reveal it too much to the wrong people. 

Anyway, I appreciate your courage to share so much truth out there 🙏 I would feel uncomfortable to do that.

 

Edited February 5 by Alexop

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Alexop said:

How much truth is the person able to handle?

Yes, this requires lots of intuition and skill, which is developed through trial and error.

After a decade+ of doing this work and pushing truth on people, I have developed a very good intuition for when to back off and not push. But I'm still sometimes wrong because I don't know how much truth any particular person can stomach. I tend to overestimate it because I am a glutton for truth. But most people aren't like me.

Edited February 5 by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

"philosopher" or a way to justify being a jerk imposing his "truth".

I don't need justifications.

 

[yetineti]

@Alexop
 

My survival is aligned with Truth. There are no negative effects there.

It seems like the debate with how far to go with the Truth is personal to you and one you are debating with.

It can be easy to project it off on to others, especially when we see them react negatively to one of Leo’s videos or simple notions of Truth.

However, I’d argue you wouldn’t be focused on this if you weren’t regretting or debating how far you should be going or have gone with Truth yourself.

I asked a similar question for myself in a thread, recently.

’To live for Truth or by it,’ essentially.

Tricky decisions.

Edited February 5 by yetineti

[Yimpa]

12 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I love this.  This is next level for most people.  Beautiful.

                 

[LoneWonderer]

Don't do it for them. Do it for you and figure it out for yourself and liberate yourself. 

[oOo]

@Alexop it sounds like a social misalignment problem you need to solve. Start with empathy, and with enough, you’ll be able to resolve the dichotomy.

Exploring a myriad of social environments, having a customised social feedback loop, integrating social experiences to a deeper level so that internal disharmony leads to harmony, having an understanding girlfriend, friend or peer that can bring doubt to dissonances.

I promise you, your problem is that most people are not interested in philosophy, it’s that you’ve put yourself too much on an island of self unable to break into networks yet that support your interests most. We are all surfing this cosmic plane on different momentum’s, where better or worse is relative to the reference frame. Absolutes exist on their relative scale.

Your social disposition, internally, is a moral choice you’re making towards yourself, outside of you, most wouldn’t give a damn, and the ones that do have the empathy you need to build to solve your own misalignment problem. Throughout most of earlier life I have often been far too overwhelming people, left with the “on” button with no dial or switches, theres only a certain context for most people where they want to feel like their heads sticking out the window at a high fun speed. Where there is most alignment, you won’t have to care as much about having to always put yourself in another’s shoes, however overall I have realised  mastering social calibration has too many internal benefits that make it unavoidable.

The problem is not you or them, it’s physics, where both only are exclusive to one another relative to a traditional lens. This is the modern world, you get time to craft meaning in a way that continually moves you forward. If we only cut where we want to cut relative to our biases, we’ll dismember ourselves while receiving social validation for being our own existential self-executioner.

Feel free to ask questions, it’s your thread, make it mean something that genuinely pushes you forward over just venting, that if it isn’t paired with the right actions, regression calls not progression.

Edited Tuesday at 03:48 AM by oOo

[Alexop]

@oOo you good bro 😂?

I did not ask for advice, it was just a statement. I fixed my Internal dissonance, I realized that these "new men" are just a bunch of o pussies that don't dare to dig deep and fix their lives and understand reality. I keep my philosophy for myself. And I am happy that I am a straight man. If I had to date these worthless man-children I would maybe have hanged myself already.

Edited yesterday at 02:52 PM by Alexop

[Human Mint]

It is also dirty because you have to deal with your own shit 

[LordFall]

@Alexop Philosophy is not a job. It's a process. Synthesizing all your findings into products and services that can help people consistently(standardization) is a job and ultimately a business.

Plenty of brilliant people that think about stuff all day long but can't anybody else with it. You can call them philosophers or delusional, up to you.