My New Years Resolution, Leave Actualized.org!

[Thought Art]

Only place better than the forum for personal development is GrowthDay. It’s pretty driven there and everyone is supportive, professional and working toward daily growth. I am not promoting it but people should be aware there are really great personal development communities like what Brendon Burchard is building which is very good and more focused. 
 

The depths and hands off approach and the casual nature of the forum should be understood. Most of your personal development won’t happen here.

Edited 19 hours ago by Thought Art

[RisingLane]

21 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What about Pizza Thursdays?

At least someone gets what it’s all about.

[integration journey]

33 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What about Pizza Thursdays?

I have been missing that one a lot lately. How was the taco Tuesday?

[UnbornTao]

9 minutes ago, integration journey said:

I have been missing that one a lot lately. How was the taco Tuesday?

Not bad, but it isn't as great as Quesadilla Sundays.

[Hojo]

@Ishanga This is called karma. Leave come back leave come back. You aren't learning something. Are you leaving for the same reason you left last time? Then come back for the same reason.

Edited 18 hours ago by Hojo

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga

The point of spirituality is to place yourself in an enlightened perspective. You already know that this has a large energetic component; it's not something conceptual. It requires polishing the experience, the now, from all the human mire. This, as you also know, is extremely difficult. The human mire traps you one way or another. You think you're free of it, only to realize you're swimming in it.

Gurus are human,  as expected, they have a very serious narcissistic component. That's why they work as gurus. It's an extremely complicated issue that isn't really defined. Non-duality wallows in human conceptual muck, neo-Advaita is narcissism in great part, Mooji, Adyashanti, Ramana present enlightenment as being "the consciousness". it's all confusing, imprecise, still to be defined.

So, this forum is the same as any spiritual community: a group of people who want to find a solution to suffering and death, and they cling to their beliefs. Entering into debate under these conditions is always tense. The idea is to try to find a way to make it somewhat less tense. It's not easy. Be patient and that's it. Lack is everywhere, that's human condition. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Terell Kirby]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

And Conflict is not natural, conflict is ego,

Quite the opposite. There’s nothing natural about harmony at all- social environments have to be configured in such a way where harmonious relations between humans can be facilitated.

Also- harmony itself not an absolute good. Harmonious groups delude themselves about all sorts of things. At least a forum space like this allows us to challenge perspectives and prevent echo chambers and paradigm lock. It would be wise to drop the fantasy of harmony being an absolute good altogether.

ps. It’s funny how ppl complain about the forum but don’t take any action to leave or engage with it in a way that they feel will elevate it. It’s like the psychology grad who sits on ass all day complaining about to corporations and the economy yet refuses to apply for a job or start a business of his own

Edited 17 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Good morning @Ishanga! 

I recall clashing with you a few times when I first noticed a post like this from you, on these forums. 

I respect you a lot, and you always have many interesting views to add. Most of your spirituality crosses over with what other users and masters say - it is in the translating that many cannot see the overlap. 

This theme of rejecting the forum has been a constant thing for you. My questions for you when you leave would be:

What draws you back here, again and again? It is clearly, to me, not desperation for connection or community. 

You often inject, what I perceive, feeling wise (from your posts, not your words); disgust. Contempt. Like the forum is a bad smell. Do you think this is worth thinking about and contemplating? 

If you are judging this place so harshly, there is something happening here that you feel you must not have, or do. Otherwise, you would not feel so okay to post along these themes. Perhaps you feel you do not have ego like those here? If you thought you had this, you wouldn't judge the forum so much because you would realise you are judging yourself as 'low consciousness'. And it would feel quite bad think that way about ourselves.

I witness you engaging in egoic battles all over the forum - and here, this is my experience of you speaking. I am not judging you, because I engage in this manner also. 

But I think the forum is representing parts of yourself you have not claimed, so you feel okay rejecting it. 

Even this post is begging for engagement. 

If I were in your position, as is my typical way, I would simply disappear. No goodbye. You acknowledge there must be some addictive quality to this place - because you feel you need to post for personal accountability; but you have full sovereignty. 

I do notice you have personal issues with Leo - perhaps he represents ego which is unclaimed in you? Not sure. 

In any event, I do not mean this as an attack. Merely my observations looking at patterns of posting. And I suppose this could all be projection - because I have been through exactly the above. Many times, repeatedly. 

I do note that while on this forum everyone argues, clashes and has their beliefs challenged - you will always see us all laughing at each other within a post or two. Or in the next thread. Or agreeing in a seperate subsection. But then, laughter follows. I don't see this as much with you. You appear to not have fun here in this way. Simply an observation. 

I digress a a bit here... I mean no attack at all. I just feel maybe this might help with thinking on your experience here. Feel free to disregard! 

I think you should take a big break. @CARDOZZO did just that and had some good words.

Maybe you will return, maybe not. 

But overall, I wish you peace, happiness and joy in your growth and seeking ❤️

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AION]

“I’m leaving right now”

 

”ok”

 

”don’t stop me. I’m really leaving” 

 

[Leo Gura]

This place is just the organic sum of all the cats who roam here.

Many of ya'll have your weird, quirky points of view. That's what diversity entails.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This place is just the organic sum of all the cats who roam here.

Many of ya'll have your weird, quirky points of view. That's what diversity entails.

🎯🧶

It has to be so, it couldn't be any other way. Fluid evolution. I am grateful you created this space !

 (⁠.⁠ ⁠❛⁠ ⁠ᴗ⁠ ⁠❛⁠.⁠)

[Joseph Maynor]

@Ishanga  What would you like to be working on more, ideally, in a community like this or see others working on?

[Salvijus]

I can kinda relate to what you're saying. And I used to have similar thoughts aswell. But idk, I had some shift where the heat stopped bothering me and I began to see value in it even. Places that are only positive are really boring imo. You need the tension for evolution to happen, for life to thrive. Although taking a brake from this forum can definitely be good. 

[Ramasta9]

18 hours ago, Ishanga said:

They say New Years Resolutions don't work, but its good advice to set intentions...

This place is not so healthy for Me, its not a place of Actualization imo, its a place of sharing and conflict and huge huge Egos, only a few ppl here are on a level of realization that I can respect, the rest are either playing ego games or using Spirituality as Entertainment and crave Drama more than Truth, I don't have the time or patients to deal with ppl like that, I still have plenty to work on myself, the constant triggering this place gives Me does not help in anyway!

I share this because this place is supposed to be above all of this, and maybe this is a wake up call for those under the illusion that it is a place of Actualization and Higher Consciousness, it is not, but it could have been.. Leo himself imo is full of conflict it seems, how could someone that is supposedly in a state of high level Consciousness (he claims to be the most Conscious, if that is not a sign of a huge Ego, I don't know what is) be constantly grumpy and at times ignoring the very ppl that provide him and audience and income,, 

If one starts something like this, an online presence via videos and forums then you better be available to the public, he is in many ways but is very constrained in his approach and argumentative lots of the time, it boggles my mind how this is so, and his ability to pick apart anyone the deviates from his approach is out of this world, one day he will say he not perfect and capable of making a mistake then the next day he's the most critical critic of another's approach lol, unbelievable!

So with this, and stating it publicly on this forum this will give me a sense of pressure to stick to my word, so that is my intention..

If you are reading this, look elsewhere for Advice, there are much more caring and giving communities out there that will actually listen to what YOU are saying and your personal concerns, vs. telling You You are Wrong and then berating You more for it!

To those that are actually on the path of Truth and living it somewhat, I think I know who You are, go elsewhere as well, this place will take all of that progression and realization away from You if Your here too much, I've honestly tried to share what I think works, for sure some will disagree, I have no problems with that, but the egoic attacks are too frequent to maintain any sort of interest for me to share anymore sad to say!!

I can understand your frustration, and yes this forums is no holy temple, but it is what it is, and Leo is only as high as his followers make him. I never listen to what people say, i read their energy and behavioral patterns, that speaks to me a thousand time more. It is healthy to detach sometimes when it getting too much, and at the same time to be aware of those "triggers" as they are your greater teachers, and will show up in other areas in life if you cannot master them here, that's fine, but they are there for a reason, so be prepared to see them elsewhere, wherever you go.

Remember, this is just a forum that a utuber named Leo created, it doesn't mean its going meet all our expectations, there's always going to be commotion online, its rare to see a place that is flawless in exchanges because there is no true ground upon an artificial/digitized medium, its mostly mental exchanges, leaving the physical, emotional and most of sensory perceptive fields out, which leads to all the misunderstandings. And yet you can still make it work to some degree, as long as you put your ego aside and speak directly from your soul, that is what moves people and shifts things, but yes its nothing like being in front of someone speaking directly to them, that is the limits of the internet unfortunately.

I personally have nothing to seek here, I simply enjoy the exchanges on this forum until it no longer serves me and its no longer fun, then I take a break or leave for a while. Think of me as an wanderer of sorts, a bridge-walker, i pass by say hi, patch things up, plant seeds, move on  

If its getting too messy then you know what to do, and you don't even have to state it, but I can understand it may help give you that push.

Thanks for passing by, and even though we have our differences, I am sure if we met in person we could enjoy a nice cuppa !

Namaste my friend, follow your Intuition.

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Butters]

18 hours ago, Thought Art said:

It’s a personal development forum. Which, isn’t that toxic. It was way worse years ago. 

Until you struck them with that sweet hammer of justice 🔨👑