Conformity Examples Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Butters said:

Why? 

Cause it's silly.

[Butters]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Cause it's silly.

Whats silly about it? 

[Alexop]

How about CBT? 

[CARDOZZO]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

NLP

BUT LEO 

[Carl-Richard]

You can engage in things people usually associate with conformity while doing it from a place of inner drive, value, principle or logic. It's not the appearance but the underlying process which is often less virtuous.

However, there are cases where conformity is virtuous, or simply pragmatic. For example, trusting the people who built your house that it is solid without having to check through everything yourself (or build the house yourself), or your car, or the food you buy.

Similarly, trusting the scientific community during Covid-19 and taking the vaccines. Was that not the most pragmatic decision? Similarly to how your trust other sources of authority where you yourself lack the prerequisite experience to truly judge or know what is going on, that was the most pragmatic decision, and it's also what 99.99% of people did during Covid, and it's self-deception to think otherwise.

But even if you disbelieved the scientific community and became a skeptic, 99.99% of those people also simply conformed to some other narrative. There are very few people with the same knowledge about vaccines as the people behind them (PhD-level and above microbiologists), who actually made an informed decision based on knowledge, values, principles, logic about the vaccines, who did not trust and swallow a pre-packaged narrative for convenience.

Maybe later, when people have had time to think about Covid and formed their own opinion more aligned with their inner values, principles, knowledge, etc., could their opinion be less conformist, but to pretend that you had done that before Covid and didn't simply conform to a narrative, is again in 99.99% of cases self-deception.

But maybe some people here did have a lot of thoughts about vaccines produced in a pandemic scenario prior to Covid and did have a well-formed opinion and they were ready. Or they simply always thought invasive government interventions no matter the kind are a no-go (which is problematic if you go into minutia like food supply, water supply, air quality).

Not to derail the thread, but I'm curious whether other people here are honest enough to admit that the extent of their knowledge either way (for or against vaccines) made them a conformist during the Covid-19 pandemic and the mass vaccination programs.

Edited 11 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

BUT LEO 

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Not to derail the thread, but I'm curious whether other people here are honest enough to admit that the extent of their knowledge either way (for or against vaccines) made them a conformist during the Covid-19 pandemic and the mass vaccination programs.

Oh yeah, for sure. 

As a sidenote, it seems almost automatic to hear "conformist" as a negative thing, doesn't it? We keep bumping into this.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Oh yeah, for sure. 

As a sidenote, it seems almost automatic to hear "conformist" as a negative thing, doesn't it? We keep bumping into this.

Conformist is a negative thing in the sense that it is an unconscious behavior.

Lack of consciousness is the issue.

[UnbornTao]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Conformist is a negative thing in the sense that it is an unconscious behavior.

Lack of consciousness is the issue.

Can't you consciously conform? 

[Terell Kirby]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Can't you consciously conform? 

at that point it isn't conformity.

what is it? I need to contemplate that .. but I have a hunch it's more so an indication of curiosity and discovery

Edited 7 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Can't you consciously conform? 

Yes, but then I wouldn't call that conformity.

If you put on a Stormtrooper uniform to evade the Empire, you are not the Empire.

And if you consciously decide to join the Empire, than is not conformity.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[integral]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, but then I wouldn't call that conformity.

If you put on a Stormtrooper uniform to evade the Empire, you are not the Empire.

And if you consciously decide to join the Empire, than is not conformity.

When you were peer pressured into disliking pizza, do you view this as a conscious act or unconscious act?

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, integral said:

When you were peer pressured into disliking pizza, do you view this as a conscious act or unconscious act?

Of course unconscious.

[integral]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course unconscious.

No Leo, it's not obvious at all.

So you felt bad while you were doing it and did it anyway without realizing what you were doing? -> Making it a unconscious act.

If you felt bad while you were doing it and did it anyway, but you understood you were playing along to fit in. -> Does that make it a conscious act?

Edited 6 hours ago by integral

[r0ckyreed]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, but then I wouldn't call that conformity.

If you put on a Stormtrooper uniform to evade the Empire, you are not the Empire.

And if you consciously decide to join the Empire, than is not conformity.

But there is conscious conformity such as being moral. A hero is conscious conformity in a sense. Or even the example of knowing that religion is bullshit but still going to church anyways because you value upholding tradition. You can be aware of your own conformity but still choose it.

[Ulax]

I play a FPS game called R6/ Siege.

There's a conformity trend at the moment where lots of people comment 'Siege is dead'

[mmKay]

Blowing candles on a cake for your birthday as people sing to you

 

Edited 2 hours ago by mmKay

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

I play a FPS game called R6/ Siege.

There's a conformity trend at the moment where lots of people comment 'Siege is dead'

Teabagging in online shooter games is classic confromity.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, integral said:

No Leo, it's not obvious at all.

So you felt bad while you were doing it and did it anyway without realizing what you were doing? -> Making it a unconscious act.

If you felt bad while you were doing it and did it anyway, but you understood you were playing along to fit in. -> Does that make it a conscious act?

Dude, who has that level of understanding when they fit in? Almost no one. They just do it like monkeys.

Does a Christian or a MAGA or a Nazi or a Flat Earther or a Goth know he's conforming? No! They think those are genuine, independent, truthful positions. Conformity involves a self-deception that you are acting of your own volition when you aren't.

The Christian is the best example. A Christian is not aware that he's only a Christian out of conformity. And if you tell him that he will deny it to his grave.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Teabagging in online shooter games is classic confromity.

Not teabagging but gamer rage memes 😁