Serious personal development forces you to be fake or treat people like children

[Alexop]

37 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Lol.

And the Asians are too pragmatic not to accept the offer, right? 

Kind of. I mean even some boring dude from Sweden is better than a shit life in a third world country as a woman.

[Alexop]

1 minute ago, koops said:

Seems is a stage green problem. Is necessary to integrate it but not at the expense of the exclusion of other masculine stages of development.

I've spent lots of time among Green people the last years and suppression of/misunderstanding masculinity is one of their biggest weaknesses. They are culturally castrating their men then hating them lol.

[Emerald]

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

very few people do serious development. My post is just a reminder of that. Even if I build a YT channel and talk with people and shit, I will still have the same perspective. Of course there are unmet needs in the middle, this is the core of serious work, you give up survival treats for truth. This is why people don't do the work, because they love their survival nonsense. And if I point this I am not instantly underdeveloped as you think, I am different than you, different personality, different survival situation. This conformity nonsense in spiritual community is stupid, we cannot all be Eckhart Tolles talking like we are some feminine sedated sloths. Look at Peter Ralston, I am more like that, we are not the same.

Put a spicy introvert at a table with 10 extroverts talkin about furniture and shit and see how well she/he feels. And then you judge the introvert for being frustrated or some shit. No, they are DIFFERENT.

This is just more "Look how superior I am to the unconscious plebs" talk that's common in the group think on this forum.

It's just a bad habit that you've picked up from Leo. If Leo didn't talk like this... you wouldn't be talking like this.

There's no "serious development" about it.

[Nemra]

28 minutes ago, Alexop said:

I think most of Scandinavia is like this.

What about non-Scandinavian countries, like the Netherlands?

33 minutes ago, Alexop said:

underdevelopment among men

That one's prevalent in mine too. Boys are too macho for that.

[Emerald]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

As an adult among children you know you are so superior that it doesn't even need to be said or thought.

You sure do say and think it a lot though... don't you?

But the Leo character is not superior to any of the other human characters. He's not even wiser than them half the time.

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Ain’t this the truth. I learned this one the hard way after thinking I knew better with every person I interacted with when talking about life. 

I do think there’s one thing we always can do though when we meet someone we believe isn’t really valuing truth, stay silent and not engage. 

It's a really common pitfall that those who are on the path can fall into. I used to fall into this one myself about a decade ago. And it's just another ego trap.

But it also arises primary as a coping strategy for dealing with feelings of disconnection. One seeks to be the "superior one" relative to the normies because they feel a sense of not fitting.

The reality is that God is just as over-joyed to incarnate as a pleb as it is to incarnate as a "serious Truth-seeker"... as it is to incarnate as a sea barnacle.

And anyone who is trying so hard to differentiate their human character from other human characters is just operating off of the tendency towards ego differentiation, which is in the opposite direction of Love and Truth.

Anyone who is in this trap has a spiritual path that's highly influenced by the Shadow of what they're pushing away on the ordinary human level. 

[Alexop]

45 minutes ago, Nemra said:

What about non-Scandinavian countries, like the Netherlands?

I don't dare to give you an answer as I did not live there. I think it goes towards that if it is not already there.

Edited yesterday at 04:40 PM by Alexop

[Schizophonia]

@Alexop Maybe it's because you dealt with people who grew up in big cities.

It's the same everywhere; Like if france in Paris there will be a lot of "leftist metrosexual man-childs" if you want lol,  and the more rural you go, the more virile men you will have.

[Alexop]

54 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

@Alexop Maybe it's because you dealt with people who grew up in big cities.

It's the same everywhere; Like if france in Paris there will be a lot of "leftist metrosexual man-childs" if you want lol,  and the more rural you go, the more virile men you will have.

Yea that makes sense. As Stage Green comes online, the feminity bias kicks in.

[Aaron p]

It's definitely possible to fall into the trap of too much knowledge though mistaking it for real spiritual development. You can actually use knowledge as a safety barrier to shield you from your own pain. It can most often come from a lack of love. It's perfectly fine to love people. You see people completely entrenched in a knowledge driven superiority complex. An easy test is this, if you go Infront of loads of people and crawl in the dirt naked and shout "I'm a dumbass", and you still feel good/valuable after, then it probably is real spiritual development. Just don't turn out like this guy, you can see knowledge making him stuck as fuck, which isn't good or bad, but probably not helpful for himself:

(Skip half)

(I don't disagree or agree with him, just his style of hyper rational, black and white reasoning).

A mind that values epistemic flexibility less than raw memorisation will be disconnected from the deepest forms of love. 

1 cor 8:1

Edited 20 hours ago by Aaron p

[Ero]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This work will make you an adult among children, a lion among sheep, an eagle among pidgeons, a whale among fish, an alien among men.

“An alien amongst the sheep, this is who I am.”

Edited 18 hours ago by Ero

[Hello from Russia]

I feel ya brother

Try talking to Chat gpt more, I find he is a much better conversation partner than 99% people 

Edited 15 hours ago by Hello from Russia

[Leo Gura]

19 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The sad reality,  also this shows that the last Bull of the zen bulls metaphor of kind of bullshit since it shows the zen master living among the commoners. 

That's a misconception. The Zen master does not live among the commoners, he lives alone and occassionally mingles in the market.

That's how I roll by default.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

On 14/10/2025 at 4:07 PM, Alexop said:

Basically nobody cares about serious pursuit of truth and personal development. even with the most educated people I met in my life, I still have to tip-toe around subjects because their beliefs and worldviews are so fucked up that I would just  annoy/insult them if I was truly honest. Is it worth it? Of course, some  feelings of loneliness pales in comparison with knowing you are truly the top 0.1 % of people who take life very seriously, not just playing survival shit.

The ones who say they do this work? Haha, I have to be even more careful with them, because they have built an ego around their false beliefs and actions and are easy to offend. Core lesson. Either be dead serious about this work or let it go and stop building an ego around your ideas, spirituality, political views, and shit, because they are most probably wrong. 

I just had a talk with a very educated influencer from my home country who talks advanced politics. The dude is killing it in regards to understanding the economy and nerdy stuff like that. But even him cannot understand the basic asymmetry of femininity vs. masculinity which mostly throws his work into the trash bin. If you don’t understand femininity vs. masculinity, your LGBT+ understanding is shit, your relationships understanding is shit, your sociology understanding is shit, your understanding of who YOU are and what you want is mostly shit.

 

Social game is very different than the spiritual game. You can win at both. Social game is all about feelings, saying the right thing within the context of the group and status. It is all about mask on, mask off, for the sake of survival. Nobody is above survival on this forum so it is wrong to be arrogant about it. A solely spiritual life should be reserved for old age. 

Edited 12 hours ago by AION

[Alexop]

2 hours ago, AION said:

Social game is very different than the spiritual game. You can win at both. Social game is all about feelings, saying the right thing within the context of the group and status. It is all about mask on, mask off, for the sake of survival. Nobody is above survival on this forum so it is wrong to be arrogant about it. A solely spiritual life should be reserved for old age. 

Yes! That's it. Had to learn it the hard way. I had an ideology in my head in the past that I have to be honest with people otherwise I am a lier, but no, you just cannot be mask off all the time. 

That is femininity basically, strategically holding back your honesty in order to get the best outcome for everyone.

Edited 10 hours ago by Alexop

[Alexop]

5 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

I feel ya brother

Try talking to Chat gpt more, I find he is a much better conversation partner than 99% people 

If you tune it well, it is smarter than virtually anyone you ever met in person. It is amazing what good job these AI people did. But you have to tune it, because the default GPT is very feminine and politically correct so it does not incubate extremists and to not traumatize you with too much truth. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Alexop

[AION]

1 hour ago, Alexop said:

Yes! That's it. Had to learn it the hard way. I had an ideology in my head in the past that I have to be honest with people otherwise I am a lier, but no, you just cannot be mask off all the time. 

That is femininity basically, strategically holding back your honesty in order to get the best outcome for everyone.

Being successful socially helps your overall development and also your spirituality since you are connecting to the collective consciousness. That hermit shit is bullshit. It only works for certain types of anti social people  which retards their overall development/maturity. Putting on a mask is not lying in the same way putting on clothes is not lying. It is part of the game of life. I suggest you look to mentors who are down to earth. 

[koops]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a misconception. The Zen master does not live among the commoners, he lives alone and occassionally mingles in the market.

That's how I roll by default.

Seems like a good perspective.

I found myself in this position. Not even need to reach a level close to be a zen master.
The level of development of the general population is so low, that with a bit of serious personal development work, isolation is needed.

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, koops said:

The level of development of the general population is so low, that with a bit of serious personal development work, isolation is needed.

It depends a bit on your personality also. If you are a spicy masculine person, just being around normies and holding your handbrake on all the time is not fun. It can feel like you sell your soul to the devil for the sake of conformity, meeting needs and not hurting others. On the other hand, there are people like Eckhart Tolle, who is very developed but also authentically feminine and chill, he has an easier time being around normies.

Edited 7 hours ago by Alexop

[Leo Gura]

You can be around normies as long as you don't have to live by their corrupt ways. But if you are too close to them long enough they will rope you into their corrupt ways.

Which is why the wise live at a safe distance.

Sick people always rope you into their sickness because they do not know health.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura