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Serious personal development forces you to be fake or treat people like children

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8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a misconception. The Zen master does not live among the commoners, he lives alone and occassionally mingles in the market.

That's how I roll by default.

The thing is though that's usually a conscious and natural choice that is made with ease after someone has let go of a lot of the beliefs that tie them to society for things like approval, validation, etc. So in a sense it's sort of a form of transcendence. It's not them being edgy or trying to be above society. I don't think the guys here who are posting in the dating sub forum should be thinking about this. 

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15 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

The thing is though that's usually a conscious and natural choice that is made with ease after someone has let go of a lot of the beliefs that tie them to society for things like approval, validation, etc. So in a sense it's sort of a form of transcendence. It's not them being edgy or trying to be above society. I don't think the guys here who are posting in the dating sub forum should be thinking about this. 

Obviously the guys in the dating subforum should not be thinking about this.

But being a monk is about being above society. The popular concepts of monks has been so watered down and misunderstood. Why do monks become monks? Because they finally realize that mainstream society is a madhouse of perverts and fools.

But see, mainstream culture never tells you this. It acts as though monks are just these kinds, nice guys so never judge. No! Monks judge that you are totally full of shit and you are diseased perverts.

But see, mainstream culture can never admit this about itself.

Christians are so stupid they don't even understand that Jesus was a monk, why? Because he understood that the lifestyle of religous people is a disease.

When you become deeply conscious you realize that mainstream society is a cancer.

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@Leo Gura yes, it is a balance between meeting your needs and staying away from sickness.

 

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By the way Leo! How much of your happiness and development potential gets affected by the fact that you can't find the exact woman you wish having?

In case you are still single, otherwise it is a stupid question 😆 

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@Leo Gura You also stopped dating? If not, how do you fit that into the kind of lifestyle you describe?

In your Burning Through Karma video you mentioned a need for deeper intimacy with a woman, did you manage to get it? Or did it become irrelevant?

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After my world collapsed this summer I will be unable to be a productive member of society in the classical sense.

That door closed behind me. Now I'm in some kind of liminal transitionary phase, but it doesn't take effort anymore. The Process of Awakening goes on on its own now.

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Yeah, I’m also curious to hear how you is your current relationship with intimate relationships, Leo?

Would free me up a lot if I was able to let them go, but cant say I am anywhere close.


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2 minutes ago, vibv said:

After my world collapsed this summer I will be unable to be a productive member of society.

What happened to you?


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3 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

What happened to you?

I gave up totally.

Which was necessary for that my will can now be aligned with God's Will.

In theory everyone can follow God's Will easily, but your mind has a lot of arguments against that usually ;) 

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Would free me up a lot if I was able to let them go, but cant say I am anywhere close.

Me too, and it's a struggle, on the one hand I crave intimacy, companionship, love, etc. And on the other, I know that a chapter will come in my life for more and more solitude, as I go deeper into spiritual work. But I'm not sure how will that go. And if I commit to a relationship now at 29 years old, I'm not sure how will my psyche and reality change if I dive deeper into contemplation and practices. 

I'm really confused. Also, I experienced a huge heartbreak and breakup recently that also affected my views on this.

What are your thoughts, do you face similar challanges? Why can't you let them go?

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2 hours ago, Alexop said:

It depends a bit on your personality also. If you are a spicy masculine person, just being around normies and holding your handbrake on all the time is not fun. It can feel like you sell your soul to the devil for the sake of conformity, meeting needs and not hurting others. On the other hand, there are people like Eckhart Tolle, who is very developed but also authentically feminine and chill, he has an easier time being around normies.

haha I dont think Tolle is around normies a lot; just in his seminars, which is teacher-student dynamic and his way to make money.

Maybe Sadhguru does.

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@Alexop Thank you for saying this. After 11 years of nondual work an living in nondual perception since 2021 I feel similarly. On a relative level humanity has a rudimentary understanding of what the masculine and feminine polarities of existence are. Being human and being a lifeform in general is not about the Truth. It is about survival. The overwhelming majority of people that you meet in your life cannot even fathom the truth of what existence is nor will they ever care. In my personal life experience I just meet people where they are at. I have zero thought that they will ever realize the true nondual ontological nature of existence and that is fine. Besides all forms in existence are yourself. You created the totality and you are imagining infinity into being right now. Every form you encounter, every person, even your own subjective experience is just an idea occurring within your Absolute Infinite nonlocal mind. It doesn't matter if the other parts of yourself haven't realized that they are dreaming. 

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@nexusoflife

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The overwhelming majority of people that you meet in your life cannot even fathom the truth of what existence is nor will they ever care. In my personal life experience I just meet people where they are at. I have zero thought that they will ever realize the true nondual ontological nature of existence and that is fine.

How does that affect your intimate romantic relationships? if in any way.

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@nexusoflife I reccon that this masculinity vs. femininity plus lack of socialization are among the top problems that will fuck us up in the future if no serious turning point solves the issue. That is because relationships are a critical pillar for most people's mental health. If this falls all the way down, I am concerned about the sanity of our people. The average Joe and the basic Josefine does not have Leo's career and life purpose, they will have a hard time finding meaning and happiness in something other than relationships.

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9 hours ago, Alexop said:

By the way Leo! How much of your happiness and development potential gets affected by the fact that you can't find the exact woman you wish having?

There is some suffering from not finding the right woman. But also that suffering is self-created. Most of that suffering comes from buying into the idea that you need a woman.

It much depends on what you want out of life. Obviously if you want a family, if you want socialization, if you are extroverted, then you will suffer more from not having those things. This depends on your personality type.

9 hours ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura You also stopped dating? If not, how do you fit that into the kind of lifestyle you describe?

I am not actively dating, but if it lands in my lap I will not say no.

I don't invest time into pursuing women at this point. This of course means I barely get women. But I might invest time into that in the future. My prioritizes change every year. Right now women are not my priority.

The reason I don't invest time in pursuing women now is because it holds less meaning for me than it used to. It's very obvious to me that no woman will ever satisfy me. I've sort of deconstructed the fantasy/illusion of women. It is clear that they are just cheese in a rat maze.

8 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Yeah, I’m also curious to hear how you is your current relationship with intimate relationships, Leo?

Would free me up a lot if I was able to let them go, but cant say I am anywhere close.

I still desire them, but I am also disillusioned with them. I am not opposed to relationships but I also don't spend much time dreaming for them.

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None of this is to say you guys should copy me. I encourage you all to go burn through your karma and pursue your natural desires until you exhaust them. Don't try to act like a monk when you are full of unsatisfied desires. Being a monk should come organically, not be forced. Monk mode comes organically later in life once you've played out all the human games.

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@Leo Gura

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Monk mode comes organically later in life once you've played out all the human games.

That's something that bugs me at the moment. I'm 29 years old, and I'm not sure about many decisions in life but I still have to make those decisions, like for example decision on creating a family with wife and kids, which at the moment I don't want to do, but still, let's imagine I did that now and after couple years my truth-seeking journey I realized that I need to be in monk mode to be happier and more fulfilled. I can't just undo wife and kids (just one example) that easily, right?

It's just something that's been bothering me, and so far my answer is to be extra careful on this life altering decisions like marriage, having kids, having huge depth, settling down in wrong place, having an unhealthy lifestyle due to chosen profession, etc.

But also, I fear that by avoiding those responsibilities I will miss out on growth opportunities. But I guess I have to choose the proper responsibilities that will suite my personality, self, values and be flexible enough to change them as my priorities change from time to time.

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16 minutes ago, bazera said:

and so far my answer is to be extra careful on this life altering decisions like marriage, having kids, having huge depth, settling down in wrong place, having an unhealthy lifestyle due to chosen profession, etc.

Of course these are huge decisions which severely limit and shape your whole life.

You mus be very intelligent in making these decisions, which is where most people screw up.


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