Serious personal development forces you to be fake or treat people like children

[Lyubov]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a misconception. The Zen master does not live among the commoners, he lives alone and occassionally mingles in the market.

That's how I roll by default.

The thing is though that's usually a conscious and natural choice that is made with ease after someone has let go of a lot of the beliefs that tie them to society for things like approval, validation, etc. So in a sense it's sort of a form of transcendence. It's not them being edgy or trying to be above society. I don't think the guys here who are posting in the dating sub forum should be thinking about this. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

The thing is though that's usually a conscious and natural choice that is made with ease after someone has let go of a lot of the beliefs that tie them to society for things like approval, validation, etc. So in a sense it's sort of a form of transcendence. It's not them being edgy or trying to be above society. I don't think the guys here who are posting in the dating sub forum should be thinking about this. 

Obviously the guys in the dating subforum should not be thinking about this.

But being a monk is about being above society. The popular concepts of monks has been so watered down and misunderstood. Why do monks become monks? Because they finally realize that mainstream society is a madhouse of perverts and fools.

But see, mainstream culture never tells you this. It acts as though monks are just these kinds, nice guys so never judge. No! Monks judge that you are totally full of shit and you are diseased perverts.

But see, mainstream culture can never admit this about itself.

Christians are so stupid they don't even understand that Jesus was a monk, why? Because he understood that the lifestyle of religous people is a disease.

When you become deeply conscious you realize that mainstream society is a cancer.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Alexop]

@Leo Gura yes, it is a balance between meeting your needs and staying away from sickness.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Alexop

[Alexop]

By the way Leo! How much of your happiness and development potential gets affected by the fact that you can't find the exact woman you wish having?

In case you are still single, otherwise it is a stupid question 😆 

Edited 6 hours ago by Alexop

[bazera]

@Leo Gura You also stopped dating? If not, how do you fit that into the kind of lifestyle you describe?

In your Burning Through Karma video you mentioned a need for deeper intimacy with a woman, did you manage to get it? Or did it become irrelevant?

[vibv]

After my world collapsed this summer I will be unable to be a productive member of society in the classical sense.

That door closed behind me. Now I'm in some kind of liminal transitionary phase, but it doesn't take effort anymore. The Process of Awakening goes on on its own now.

Edited 5 hours ago by vibv

[Miguel1]

Yeah, I’m also curious to hear how you is your current relationship with intimate relationships, Leo?

Would free me up a lot if I was able to let them go, but cant say I am anywhere close.

[Miguel1]

2 minutes ago, vibv said:

After my world collapsed this summer I will be unable to be a productive member of society.

What happened to you?

[vibv]

3 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

What happened to you?

I gave up totally.

Which was necessary for that my will can now be aligned with God's Will.

In theory everyone can follow God's Will easily, but your mind has a lot of arguments against that usually  

Edited 5 hours ago by vibv

[bazera]

@Miguel1

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Would free me up a lot if I was able to let them go, but cant say I am anywhere close.

Me too, and it's a struggle, on the one hand I crave intimacy, companionship, love, etc. And on the other, I know that a chapter will come in my life for more and more solitude, as I go deeper into spiritual work. But I'm not sure how will that go. And if I commit to a relationship now at 29 years old, I'm not sure how will my psyche and reality change if I dive deeper into contemplation and practices. 

I'm really confused. Also, I experienced a huge heartbreak and breakup recently that also affected my views on this.

What are your thoughts, do you face similar challanges? Why can't you let them go?

[koops]

2 hours ago, Alexop said:

It depends a bit on your personality also. If you are a spicy masculine person, just being around normies and holding your handbrake on all the time is not fun. It can feel like you sell your soul to the devil for the sake of conformity, meeting needs and not hurting others. On the other hand, there are people like Eckhart Tolle, who is very developed but also authentically feminine and chill, he has an easier time being around normies.

haha I dont think Tolle is around normies a lot; just in his seminars, which is teacher-student dynamic and his way to make money.

Maybe Sadhguru does.

[nexusoflife]

@Alexop Thank you for saying this. After 11 years of nondual work an living in nondual perception since 2021 I feel similarly. On a relative level humanity has a rudimentary understanding of what the masculine and feminine polarities of existence are. Being human and being a lifeform in general is not about the Truth. It is about survival. The overwhelming majority of people that you meet in your life cannot even fathom the truth of what existence is nor will they ever care. In my personal life experience I just meet people where they are at. I have zero thought that they will ever realize the true nondual ontological nature of existence and that is fine. Besides all forms in existence are yourself. You created the totality and you are imagining infinity into being right now. Every form you encounter, every person, even your own subjective experience is just an idea occurring within your Absolute Infinite nonlocal mind. It doesn't matter if the other parts of yourself haven't realized that they are dreaming. 

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[bazera]

@nexusoflife

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The overwhelming majority of people that you meet in your life cannot even fathom the truth of what existence is nor will they ever care. In my personal life experience I just meet people where they are at. I have zero thought that they will ever realize the true nondual ontological nature of existence and that is fine.

How does that affect your intimate romantic relationships? if in any way.

Edited 2 hours ago by bazera