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Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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14 minutes ago, Davino said:

But how come you're gonna be the best in something that didn't work for you? 

You're the best in what worked for you, obviously.

Why?  You could be amazing at teaching something that doesn't have to necessarily mean it had to work for you. If it worked for 100 people and not yourself wouldn't you say it was effective?

A football coach can be an amazing offensive coordinator it doesn't mean he had to be on the offensive line.

It might be good for his resume but it doesn't mean he can't know it or teach it effectively. 

That's what Leo did with his earlier work which makes it rather remarkable.

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10 minutes ago, Davino said:

Regarding group-think I'd like to point out a blind spot Leo doesn't usually talk about: The power of Collective Intelligence.

If you ever work in a top notch research centre, consultancy or think tank, you'll see that when a group of autonomous thinking individuals join together, great synergies happen and a collective mind is formed, a greater Holon so to speak. Many great insights I owe to this.

I acknowledge that collective synergy exists of course. Creative collaboration is legit. However, there is still a group-think cost that must be paid in that.

There is a collective synergy to this forum.

All of society is a collective synergy. I would be insane to deny that. But notice the cost in terms of collective stupidity and conformity.

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12 minutes ago, Davino said:

The power of Collective Intelligence.

Yes!! It is COLLECTIVE CREATION. We will awaken to the fact that WE are God and always have been.

But first we'll have to become full-ON Individuals with a capital I.

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There will be a pitcher of mysterious Kool-Aid :P

We drank your Kool-Aid already. You are all out of it.

 

A retreat without treats,

It's not how we greet.

If you want to meet,

The treats better be sweet. 

 

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Cooperation and collaboration was a pivotal factor in human evolution.

Cooperative hunting, division of labor, and the development of language and complex tools. Power in numbers.

It has its pitfalls, but those who engage in the groupthink that is so denigrated often stand at the pillars of society that we all benefit from. They are valid and needed - just not in all domains. 


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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Whats the argument for the "not in all domains" idea?

You dont even need to defend that - just defend the claim that spirituality is such a domain.

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1 hour ago, JosephKnecht said:

A retreat without treats,

It's not how we greet.

If you want to meet,

The treats better be sweet. 

 

Dude that's awesome! What a fresh breeze.

More posts that rhyme—pretty please xD


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1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Cooperation and collaboration was a pivotal factor in human evolution.

Cooperative hunting, division of labor, and the development of language and complex tools. Power in numbers.

It has its pitfalls, but those who engage in the groupthink that is so denigrated often stand at the pillars of society that we all benefit from. They are valid and needed - just not in all domains. 

It is possible to cooperate without group-think. That's the challenge we face here.


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All the arguments can be mirrored against individual , lone wolf approaches.

You are cognitively put together to be much better at spotting biases in others and you have a trash ability to spot your own biases.

All the self deception arguments are applicable to the individualist approach as well, but its not that cool to talk about that, because its much better to feel special and unique.

 

The solution isnt to do everything alone, the solution is to first acknowledge the power of groups and then create corrective mechanisms that can help alleviating those group biases. One such a thing is to make different collective intelligences and groups to engage with each other.

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@zurew 🎯


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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9 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

"Here on Actualized.org, we absolutely fetishize individualism, and if you don't, you are possessed by group-think". 🫢

100%

Spot on.

The cult of hyper-individualism and superiority through isolation (that's also a social forum which operates completely off of group think).


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8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It was stated the self was an illusion but that you must discover it for yourself by conducting an empirical investigation. Hmm..kinda scientific.. Religion does not encourage an empirical investigation at all. 

Yet religion is where science came from historically. You're confusing dogmatism and the intellectual/doctrinal dimension for religion. There are dogmatic scientists, stuck in their intellectual frameworks. There are dogmatic spiritual people, stuck in their intellectual frameworks. It is not specific or endemic to Christianity, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Jainism, etc.

 

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It also doesn't distinguish the difference between concept and actuality.   And that just dwelling in actuality could bring about a shift in your awareness.  So no religion teaches this.  They just want you to adhere to a set of concepts and beliefs (for Christianity it is a figure named Jesus) and not discover what is true, which starts with what you yourself are. 

Leo didn't invent mysticism, religions did. Mysticism is a prolific dimension in various religions. What happened with the "mainstream" Christianity we see today was a slow process of generally phasing out mysticism and calcification of doctrine. It wasn't that mysticism was never there.

 

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Example - Religions like Christianity take for granted or assume already that you are a soul.  But if you actually question that premise deeply enough then you discover that the soul exists nowhere and is nothing but a thought.   Christianity doesn't go this deep because it doesn't want to get that logical like science would.

The notion of apophatic theology contradicts this.

 

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You see uncovering the Truth could never happen for a Christian because they aren't free enough to leverage science or an empirical investigation into things. It's all based on preconceived beliefs or assumptions that can never be questioned without fear of extradition.  So Just like Galileo was a pioneer so should you be.

Dogmatic Christians persecuted Galileo, but Galileo was a Christian.

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19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It depends. Both possibilities exist. If you go into the formlessness very deeply eventually you will reach a point of complete annihilation where there is not even bliss, love, orgasm, or anything -- just a total blank. It is such a high degree of Unity that you can't even call it Unity. It is so united that it has no distinct qualities. It is Unity but you cannot call or think it "Unity". It is Love but it is a Love too deep to even be called "Love".

Just to think of reality as "Love" or "Unity" already requires a degree of separation and form.

If you have complete formlessness you cannot even regard it as "formless", because "formless" is a form.

However, you can also be conscious of formlessness while being in a state of form. You can think formlessness. You can comprehend it as Love.

So there are multiple ways here. The common mistake is to try to reduce it to just one way. That's the error of the Buddhists.

This is pure Gold Leo. One of your best post on the forum! So simple and so deep.

Much love.


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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I acknowledge that collective synergy exists of course. Creative collaboration is legit. However, there is still a group-think cost that must be paid in that.

There is a collective synergy to this forum.

All of society is a collective synergy. I would be insane to deny that. But notice the cost in terms of collective stupidity and conformity.

I know you know, I'm just trying to complement you.

Dozens of times you've talked about group think and how society makes you stupid, but think how powerful it would be to also talk about the other side, the immensity of what we've done together and the potential of collaboration.

If we're truly visionary that's how we'd be thinking, hey, usually being in a group tends towards the lowest common denominator, but properly done, there's a potential to become better than the sum of our parts. In your video of conscious leadership you should touch upon this key point.


God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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7 hours ago, vibv said:

Yes!! It is COLLECTIVE CREATION. We will awaken to the fact that WE are God and always have been.

But first we'll have to become full-ON Individuals with a capital I.

Hopefully you acknowledge how far we are from thatxD

Unless there's a breakthrough with Leo's psychedelic protocol, we'll live in the dark ages for centuries to come.


God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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4 hours ago, vibv said:

It is possible to cooperate without group-think. That's the challenge we face here.

All cooperation must involve a surrender of individuality and autonomy, the problem is when that surrender hinges on truth seeking, which is common given than animals tend towards survival and not pure Truth. 


God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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28 minutes ago, Davino said:

Hopefully you acknowledge how far we are from thatxD

Unless there's a breakthrough with Leo's psychedelic protocol, we'll live in the dark ages for centuries to come.

Yes and I feel it's nearer than you think ;) ✨

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54 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

Leo didn't invent mysticism, religions did. Mysticism is a prolific dimension in various religions. What happened with the "mainstream" Christianity we see today was a slow process of generally phasing out mysticism and calcification of doctrine. It wasn't that mysticism was never there.

I know he didn't invent any of it but he did separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak.  So credit to Actualized.org for that while also pioneering new ground.  But to your point on mysticism...interesting..what is mysticism exactly?  It is not necessarily in my opinion the difference between concept and actuality.  Mysticism can result from meditation and contemplation such as self inquiry but I would not call these practices mysticism alone.  That said I do agree there are some religions where "mysticism" exists such as Buddhism, however as you said it is lost on mainstream Christianity and religion today.   And this is the problem.   Furthermore I do not consider mysticism part of the religion itself but let's say you could theoretically. And let's say mysticism means direct experience or actuality.  The foundation of religion is it is a belief system.  So you would be essentially saying that you "believe" Truth can be found via mysticism (empirical investigation)  And the distinction here is I"m not saying to do that..I'm simply saying hold no beliefs and conduct an empirical inquiry for yourself. Don't put that into a container called religion where you believe it may lead to Truth. Nothing is assumed but rather look at such things as "open curiosity"  and let scientific exploration (empirical investigation) sort things out for you.  I feel this is lost on most religion today.  Even with Buddhism mysticism is baked into the belief system.  And so I don't feel Actualized is a New Age Religion.

I see it as ultimately science and spirituality must merge as all things must.  Here you have a culmination of that. 

Galileo was a Christian but he went against the Church with his science and was excommunicated for it. 

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5 minutes ago, vibv said:

Yes and I feel it's nearer than you think ;) ✨

Don't be ungrounded and idealistic;)


God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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3 minutes ago, Davino said:

Don't be ungrounded and idealistic;)

It is ¿?¿UNGROUND?¿?

So.. can't help it ✨

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