The right wing is not right wing anymore it’s just lies and dopamine hunting.

[ChrisZoZo]

I wonder if people agree with me the core of what it means for someone to be right wing is just not there anymore. In fact, what court do they have every single situation they seem to change their core values?
 

Look at what they’re talking about with Charlie Kirk now how they need to ban free speech, but yet only a little while ago they were very pro free speech. 
 

The right wing is supposed to be sticking to moral values. Usually oldschool moral values. 
 

Mike Pence is an interesting example because he actually is right wing and he actually has some moral values some what of course he’s still highly deluded. But he was willing to go against Trump just because he knows Trump is completely evil. 

 

Now though it seems like everyone who is in power with Trump has no moral values and they don’t have any integrity. 
 

I could go on and on and on about case examples I’m just wondering if people agree with me. 

[Elliott]

I don't think it's new, look at Bush in the middle east, Reagan in Iran: the 'morals' has always been a lie. Pence was asked to do something highly illegal and publicly, I think he was just looking out for himself. What's an example of their morals, ever? They run on fiscal responsibility but have added the most debt, they run on pro-life but vote to take food and Healthcare from needy kids to give corporations tax breaks.

Edited Sunday at 11:03 PM by Elliott

[Leo Gura]

Right-wingers are incapable of genuine moral behavior because that requires consciousness and higher stages of development.

Stage Blue morality has always been a sham. And Stage Orange only values money, so you can't have morality there either.

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura didn't a lot of human rights, specifically: equality, feminism, acceptance of gay people, start out as stage orange thing?

Just by the nature of dropping stage blue values and it being the rational thing to do?

At least it seems so to me because those movements all started way before any stage green (which has expanded them a lot since then).

Edited Monday at 12:58 AM by Something Funny

[Jodistrict]

What about Eisenhower?

We are in different times now and Trump is not a conservative.  He is an opportunist, which is why he has stacked the government with grifters and criminals.  

[Elliott]

33 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura didn't a lot of human rights, specifically: equality, feminism, acceptance of gay people, start out as stage orange thing?

Just by the nature of dropping stage blue values and it being the rational thing to do?

At least it seems so to me because those movements all started way before any stage green (which has expanded them a lot since then).

Were 60s hippies orange? MLK? Lincoln, John Brown?

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

didn't a lot of human rights, specifically: equality, feminism, acceptance of gay people, start out as stage orange thing?

Yeah, but nowadays it's all about profit maximization. The corruption of late Stage Orange has set in.

Remember, each stage only goes so far, after which point it becomes dysfunctional and sclerotic. Orange is turning into a rotting putrid corpse.

Orange was healthy 200 years ago.

Edited Monday at 01:35 AM by Leo Gura

[Mayonnaise]

@Leo Gura What do you think it will take for the majority of our society to elevate past toxic orange? how long do you think it will take? Also i know this is kind of a random way of thinking about it, but if God is infinity, then wouldn't it have to be included for a "timeline" or something for society to be toxic orange/ blue or red , etc. as a necessity to be included within that infinity? (but if thats the case, then at some point things will have to shift to other stages too) what do you think?

[Elliott]

52 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

What about Eisenhower?

We are in different times now and Trump is not a conservative.  He is an opportunist, which is why he has stacked the government with grifters and criminals.  

Eisenhower was actually the president that staged the first coup in Iran, for oil. Targeted and killed civillians in Cuba,...

"have just one purpose ... and that is to build up a strong progressive Republican Party in this country. If the right wing wants a fight, they are going to get it ... before I end up, either this Republican Party will reflect progressivism or I won't be with them anymore."[161]"- Eisenhower

How is Trump not a conservative?

Edited Monday at 01:56 AM by Elliott

[Hardkill]

10 minutes ago, Mayonnaise said:

@Leo Gura What do you think it will take for the majority of our society to elevate past toxic orange? how long do you think it will take? Also i know this is kind of a random way of thinking about it, but if God is infinity, then wouldn't it have to be included for a "timeline" or something for society to be toxic orange/ blue or red , etc. as a necessity to be included within that infinity? (but if thats the case, then at some point things will have to shift to other stages too) what do you think?

I think that another economic depression and/or another World War or some extreme collapse of our country maybe the very best shot of getting the past this toxic orange.

[Thought Art]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura didn't a lot of human rights, specifically: equality, feminism, acceptance of gay people, start out as stage orange thing?

Just by the nature of dropping stage blue values and it being the rational thing to do?

At least it seems so to me because those movements all started way before any stage green (which has expanded them a lot since then).

How is any of that “the rational thing to do”? 
 

As in, turning on a light when it’s dark if you want to see is the rational thing to do. But, the things you list are values, not rational. 
 

The more I learn about rationality, the more I realize that each stage uses rationality in a different way. What is rational, perhaps depends on values too. 
 

Sort of replied without thinking too deeply. 

Edited Monday at 02:01 AM by Thought Art

[Staples]

2 hours ago, Mayonnaise said:

@Leo Gura What do you think it will take for the majority of our society to elevate past toxic orange? how long do you think it will take? Also i know this is kind of a random way of thinking about it, but if God is infinity, then wouldn't it have to be included for a "timeline" or something for society to be toxic orange/ blue or red , etc. as a necessity to be included within that infinity? (but if thats the case, then at some point things will have to shift to other stages too) what do you think?

Green politics has barely even begun to emerge and is still riddled with many bad ideas. Don't expect to see it replace orange any time soon.

[Jodistrict]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

Eisenhower was actually the president that staged the first coup in Iran, for oil. Targeted and killed civillians in Cuba,...

"have just one purpose ... and that is to build up a strong progressive Republican Party in this country. If the right wing wants a fight, they are going to get it ... before I end up, either this Republican Party will reflect progressivism or I won't be with them anymore."[161]"- Eisenhower

How is Trump not a conservative?

Eisenhower supported the Marshall Plan.  The right-wing in American wanted to kill the Marshall Plan for the same obvious reasons - why should we help outsiders?  If the Marshall Plan wasn't high consciousness, what is?   We live in the real world, not an ideal one with perfect actors.    

[Basman]

In my opinion, right-wing politics is largely a front for corruption and self-dealing. Because conservatives tend to be less conscious than progressives, they are somewhat less capable of separating their internal reality from the external world, which is terrifying when you consider that most politicians are elites. They tend to believe what is good for them personally is also what is good for society, hence you get budget cuts to public goods like road work and schools, which a healthy society depend on, but which hurt the pockets of tax payers. Many of the decisions that have a clear demographic that are negatively affected by a certain policy conveniently don't touch the politicians enacting said policy.

Edited Monday at 06:57 AM by Basman

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

Eisenhower supported the Marshall Plan.  The right-wing in American wanted to kill the Marshall Plan for the same obvious reasons - why should we help outsiders?  If the Marshall Plan wasn't high consciousness, what is?   We live in the real world, not an ideal one with perfect actors.    

Were you not citing Eisenhower as right-wing? Today the right wing supports Israel financially. Europe would've moved toward the Soviet union.

Edited Monday at 06:30 AM by Elliott

[Jodistrict]

11 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Were you not citing Eisenhower as right-wing?

No, he was more of a conservative or a moderate.  The Republican National Convention selected Eisenhower over Douglas MacArthur.   McArthur was more of a right-winger.   If he had become president, he would have been feared by opponents, and not humored as a fool, like Trump.    

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Mayonnaise said:

@Leo Gura What do you think it will take for the majority of our society to elevate past toxic orange?

It has to play itself out. The ugliness of it needs to materialize to the point of pain.

4 hours ago, Mayonnaise said:

how long do you think it will take?

Like 50 years.

4 hours ago, Mayonnaise said:

Also i know this is kind of a random way of thinking about it, but if God is infinity, then wouldn't it have to be included for a "timeline" or something for society to be toxic orange/ blue or red , etc. as a necessity to be included within that infinity? (but if thats the case, then at some point things will have to shift to other stages too) what do you think?

You can't use Infinity to say whether some course of future action is necessary or not. The future is unknown and depends on our actions. Infinity does not require that we act like regressive jackasses. But we might anyway.

[LoneWonderer]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't use Infinity to say whether some course of future action is necessary or not. The future is unknown and depends on our actions. Infinity does not require that we act like regressive jackasses. But we might anyway.

@Leo Gura At a societal level though is there an evolution process that IS happening outside of any one individual's control? Is society advancing albeit through a lot of violence and suffering inevitable or is advancement just one of infinite possibilities for our planetary society?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, LoneWonderer said:

At a societal level though is there an evolution process that IS happening outside of any one individual's control?

Sure.

But we don't know what it is.

[BlueOak]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Right-wingers are incapable of genuine moral behavior because that requires consciousness and higher stages of development.

Stage Blue morality has always been a sham. And Stage Orange only values money, so you can't have morality there either.

Your morality is also dwarfed by a greater Leo consciousness. Let's say 10 years from now.

It doesn't mean their, your or my morals don't exist.

*I wouldn't even say dwarfed as it makes no sense to me but it fits the context. Its just a different set of principles. 

Edited Monday at 01:40 PM by BlueOak