Husseinisdoingfine

Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

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9 minutes ago, zurew said:

That doesnt sound like a view change, that sounds like seeing pragmatic and implementation issues, but that doesnt mean that he wouldnt go for it if he would have the pragmatic means to do so.

Its like some socialist saying that socialism is a foolish fairytale because other countries would need to play by those rules as well.

I'll try to find it. He goes on about how it's structurally unsound, inherently, those aren't his words I'm paraphrasing.

Most anyone would choose authoritarianism of their own beliefs if there were no drawbacks....

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2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

He goes on about how it's structurally unsound, inherently, those aren't his words I'm paraphrasing.

Phrasing it this way sounds more accurate .

If he said something like this that sounds like that he actually changed his view on it (assuming he didnt lie)

Im guessing here, but my assumption is that he would be for some kind of white democracy, where only could white people vote and or be elected.

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12 hours ago, Elliott said:

I have not seen what you're describing from kirk. I think that's a strawman.

 

 

He never ate MDMA. Empathy is real af

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10 hours ago, Elliott said:

I don't think Fuentes is trying to build a brand. I think he thinks very deeply and researches things, and just shares what he thinks, like how Leo shares.

Fuentes is just trying to replace Jewish supremacy with White supremacy and he's failed for ten years at it

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11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Fuentes is just trying to replace Jewish supremacy with White supremacy and he's failed for ten years at it

Essentially. But my point was just that Kirk seemed to be more interested in the commercial aspect, money and fame, Fuentes seems a lot more ideological.

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@zurew label all you want but I still don't see an intelligent and conscious deconstruction and articulation of what many of the "nazis" actually think or believe. I mean if violence is a concern why don't I see people talking about how the left houses antifa/communists who support an actual doctrine which supports violence in order to make change? 

It's odd. On youtube you can't find Mein Kampf audio book but you can find The Communist Manifesto which advocates for revolutionary change, which includes the potential for violence. Think about how many more died guided by that manifesto. Exceptionally higher number. Meanwhile there' no shortage of universities professors who advocate it in order to bring about change. 

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3 minutes ago, MightyMind said:

@zurew label all you want but I still don't see an intelligent and conscious deconstruction and articulation of what many of the "nazis" actually think or believe. I mean if violence is a concern why don't I see people talking about how the left houses antifa/communists who support an actual doctrine which supports violence in order to make change? 

It's odd. On youtube you can't find Mein Kampf audio book but you can find The Communist Manifesto which advocates for revolutionary change, which includes the potential for violence. Think about how many more died guided by that manifesto. Exceptionally higher number. Meanwhile there' no shortage of universities professors who advocate it in order to bring about change. 

Post democrats calling for violence, or supporting the communist manifesto.

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The shooter (Tyler) apparently had a transgender (male) roommate for whom he was in a romantic relationship with. There is evidence that the shooter was motivated by trans activism. What do you all think the implications of this are?

 

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أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن ليو رسول الله

Translation: I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and Leo [Gura] is the messenger of Allah.

 

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19 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

The shooter (Tyler) apparently had a transgender (male) roommate for whom he was in a romantic relationship with. There is evidence that the shooter was motivated by trans activism. What do you all think the implications of this are?

It's said that Tyler was in a relationship with his roommate called Lance, who is said to be in early stages of transitioning to female. I haven't seen much evidence about this relationship, apart from the text messages, and none that this roommate was a transgender, but it could be. In this case, as the text messages show, the motivation would be to act against someone who would be spreading hate against trans people and kill him. Although the messages are doubtful for me and many, but it's all we've got. 

Tyler was not part of any leftist group, neither even online that we know of. Neither any trans activism group, and it would be unfair to put this violent act on any of these groups, or on his trans partner for the matter, as he took this decision on his own. Trans activists advocate for acceptance, never for violent acts like this one. Leftist groups advocate for things like affordable housing, fair wages, and universal healthcare, and not by violent means. 

The implication should be two. One to tone down a bit the differences, which won't happen. Two to take more gun control measures, because for this to happen the culture of easy access to the weapons was a necessary factor, which won't happen either. There's no way to justify this murder, that should be said clearly. Kirk had his ideas, some could be perceived as hateful, but he had the right to express them, and the right to live, most importantly.

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1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

What do you all think the implications of this are?

Release the Epstein files boiii

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1 hour ago, MightyMind said:

but I still don't see an intelligent and conscious deconstruction and articulation of what many of the "nazis" actually think or believe.

I dont know what that means and what "intelligent" breakdown means in that statement.

You probably think that the maintream breakdown is stupid, because you cant imagine that Fuentes actually embraced a bunch of those views.

Imagine being a slave saying "let me not call my slaveowner a slaveowner, because thats violent rhetoric and let me also hear him out and do a conscious deconstruction and articulation of his views, because we are doing conscious multiperspectival politics here bro"

1 hour ago, MightyMind said:

I mean if violence is a concern why don't I see people talking about how the left houses antifa/communists who support an actual doctrine which supports violence in order to make change? 

What do you mean, what kind of democrats do you think are endorsing those views, like where is the support and tolerance for this?

Surely you wont show me views where by socialist they meant something wildly different and by their ideas they meant something wildly different right? Surely you wont betray your incredibly high standard how words and terms are defined and you will look for the exact same level nuance and granularity cashing out the term socialist and communist and antifa and you wont just assume the worst case scenario and put that meaning behind all the cases when that term comes up or when someone embraces these terms , right?

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3 hours ago, MightyMind said:

@zurew label all you want but I still don't see an intelligent and conscious deconstruction and articulation of what many of the "nazis" actually think or believe. I mean if violence is a concern why don't I see people talking about how the left houses antifa/communists who support an actual doctrine which supports violence in order to make change? 

It's odd. On youtube you can't find Mein Kampf audio book but you can find The Communist Manifesto which advocates for revolutionary change, which includes the potential for violence. Think about how many more died guided by that manifesto. Exceptionally higher number. Meanwhile there' no shortage of universities professors who advocate it in order to bring about change. 

Because there is barely any leftwing extremism to speak of. You quote one group, I could give you a hundred, no joke, on the right with about 5 minutes of google. (Probably 30 seconds with Chat GPT these days)

The left has been suppressed and deconstructed effectively for over 20 years now. If there was a healthy left with a structure and organisation then the world wouldn't be in the sorry state it is heading for.

Also I don't know if you've ever tried to post as a communist, leftwing radical or just moderate (non liberal) socialist, just to see what happens on youtube. You'll be shadow banned inside a week, and have most of your posts deleted.

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In case some people aren't aware, our current administration, backed by MAGA, is dehumanizing and reducing the rights of Trans people: 

 

Healthcare: A wave of state laws seeks to ban or severely restrict access to medically necessary gender-affirming healthcare, particularly for transgender youth.

Identification: Inconsistent and often prohibitive state laws make it difficult for transgender people to obtain accurate identification documents that reflect their gender identity.

Public Life: Transgender individuals, especially youth, are increasingly excluded from public spaces through discriminatory "bathroom bills" and bans on their participation in school sports.

Military Service: A 2025 executive order effectively bans otherwise qualified transgender individuals from openly serving in the United States military.

Discrimination: Despite some legal protections, transgender Americans face widespread discrimination in housing and employment due to the lack of comprehensive federal non-discrimination laws.

 

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The real question is, why are so many people resisting that which is simply true with all their might?

@Leo Gura I know you've done videos on self-deception and all that, and those videos are great, but I think this "political post-truth" phenomenon is such an interesting, deep, and important topic that we'd all benefit from understanding it on a much deeper level. I think I already accurately intuit and understand most of what's going on, but would love to see a much more thorough and deeper mind flesh it out.

Your "Self-Bias" video (which is my fav) explains the "what", but I'd like to see modern-day intentions, tactics, and mechanisms fleshed out. More of the "why" and "how" of the most common archetypes that consistently reject that which is true, if that makes sense. 

I've attempted to work on something similar in my spare time:

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@Joshe Unconscious survival, group-think, low stages of development, and not caring about truth (corruption) explains it.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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@Leo Gura Hey Leo, can you check your PM? I sent you a message regarding a technical help with a forum username.

Sorry for off-topic, I just have no other way to reach you. Thanks!

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19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Joshe Unconscious survival, group-think, low stages of development, and not caring about truth (corruption) explains it.

True, but I feel we need more granularity.

 

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2 minutes ago, Joshe said:

True, but I feel we need more granularity.

Of course the granularity is there, just takes work to explicate it.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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@Twentyfirst

5 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

He never ate MDMA. Empathy is real af

If he says its not real than there is no reason to mourn his death. Its counter to his logic to mourn or care about him dying at all. By mourning or caring about him or his family because of his death is de evolution according to him. To him everyone on the right and left that cares is a brain dead de evolved retard.

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Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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