Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Inliytened1]

46 minutes ago, zurew said:

This is at the very least as cringe as people were who glorified george floyd being a good guy.

No he wasnt, just the same way you shouldnt glorify charlie the dishonest propagandist kirk.

A good guy is relative.  He may have been a good family man and a good man in regards to beig true to his values and standing up for what he believed.  

@Lyubov this is a far cry from Nazi, Germany.  If you're saying it or he could develop into Hitler you are just speculating here.   The violence was potentially committed by the left if it comes out as so. Which i suspect it will although the left will continue to push the lone wolf theory or the theory he was too right.   Just typical of the stubbornness of the left. 

Edited yesterday at 12:53 AM by Inliytened1

[Recursoinominado]

Owen Cook (Tyler from RSD) shared this PBD post.

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

Owen Cook (Tyler from RSD) shared this PBD post.

Lol.

This is like saying:

"I grew up owning slaves and things were cool. But then those crazy leftists ran so far to the left that now I'm fighting for the Confederacy. What a crazy world! Those crazy leftists!"

No shit. Society evolves. If you don't evolve with it you become a dinosaur.

When Owen Cook was born, beating blacks and gays to death was considered normal. It is no virtue to say that you haven't evolved in your politics. These guys say that like it's some virtue.

Yeah, if PBD and Owen were born in 1910's Germany they would be proud Nazis.

Edited yesterday at 01:20 AM by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Can you post where he called for Biden's  execution and your other claims where he calls for executions?

It's easy to find. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-actually-232000071.html

"I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run up against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. It's like Black Hillary on steroids. Is she Black? I guess she says she's Caribbean or whatever. Doesn't matter. She gives these speeches, and it just has this aura of totalitarianism. My team says she is Indian and Caribbean. 

I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a bumbling, dementia-filled Alzheimer's, corrupt, tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America." 

If you'll execute someone for vague "crimes against America," then what happens to people you've already declared "abominations"? If being a political opponent warrants death, what about those who commit what he sees as biblical capital offenses? 

But we don't even need logic to discern this. All we need is experience with conservatives of the same ilk and for Charlie to prove he's of that ilk, which he has. Either disavow and convert to his Christian law or get removed, one way or another. This is a very common position amongst conservatives, including Charlie. 

Edited yesterday at 04:40 AM by Joshe

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura it’s been genuinely disturbing how many people are still supporting Trump. I didn’t think this much unconsciousness existed amongst us, including family members. The same people would 100% fall for the Nazis if placed in a different time. Different content but same underlying psychology

[Hardkill]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Lol.

This is like saying:

"I grew up owning slaves and things were cool. But then those crazy leftists ran so far to the left that now I'm fighting for the Confederacy. What a crazy world! Those crazy leftists!"

No shit. Society evolves. If you don't evolve with it you become a dinosaur.

When Owen Cook was born, beating blacks and gays to death was considered normal. It is no virtue to say that you haven't evolved in your politics. These guys say that like it's some virtue.

Yeah, if PBD and Owen were born in 1910's Germany they would be proud Nazis.

What about centrists like Manchin and Chris Cuomo saying that the Democratic Party and liberals today have gone too far to the left?

Edited yesterday at 01:37 AM by Hardkill

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

It's easy to find. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-actually-232000071.html

"I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run up against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. It's like Black Hillary on steroids. Is she Black? I guess she says she's Caribbean or whatever. Doesn't matter. She gives these speeches, and it just has this aura of totalitarianism. My team says she is Indian and Caribbean. 

I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a bumbling, dementia-filled Alzheimer's, corrupt, tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America." 

If you'll execute someone for vague "crimes against America," then what happens to people you've already declared "abominations"? If being a political opponent warrants death, what about those who commit what he sees as biblical capital offenses? 

But we don't even need logic to discern this. All we need is experience with conservatives of the same ilk and for Charlie to prove he's of that ilk, which he has. Either disinfect and convert to his Christian law or get removed, one way or another. That's who Kirk is. 

And if you read further it says that Kirk frequently accused the Bidens of committing treason, which is punishable by imprisonment or death, according to U.S. law.

So you are taking it out of context.  Maybe we should then go back and see why he believed they were committing treason?  Nice way to take things out of context.  

 

[Joshe]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And if you read further it says that Kirk frequently accused the Bidens of committing treason, which is punishable by imprisonment or death, according to U.S. law.

So you are taking it out of context.  Maybe we should then go back and see why he believed they were committing treason?  Nice way to take things out of context.  

Of course he had justification for wanting Biden executed. That's how evil works. Did you think he'd say that without some justification?

If we go by your logic we can whitewash anything. 

I already know what's going on, but feel free to explore the sick and twisted reasoning that Biden should be executed.

Edited yesterday at 01:59 AM by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

What about centrists like Manchin and Chris Cuomo saying that the Democratic Party and liberals today have gone too far to the left?

They completely ignore how corrupt the conservatives have become.

This is not merely an issue of left vs right. It's an issue of corruption. Objectively, there has never been a more corrupt, dishonest, unfit, criminal, and authoritarian president in American history. To act like this is the fault of the left going to far is just brain-dead.

Trump literally planned and executed a coup. And these assholes dare to speak about the left going too far left because of some trans stuff. Their level of analysis is embarassing. They have the political analysis of children. 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Of course he had justification for wanting Biden executed. That's how evil works. Did you think he'd say that without some justification?

If we go by your logic we can whitewash anything. 

But you don't think I can find where a leftist thinks Trump should face imprisonment or the death penalty?  I mean they have been trying to.hang him since the Apprentice..so isn't this just more rhetoric by both sides? Why use it to attack his character as a human being?

Edited yesterday at 02:03 AM by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

But You dint think I can find where a leftist thinks Trump should face imprisonment or the death penalty?  I mean they have been trying to.hang him since the bachelor..so isn't this just more rhetoric by both sides? Why use it to attack his character as a human being?

Yes, you can find that, but it's not even close to comparable to Kirk. Kirk actually wanted entire demographics to either convert to his way or be removed from existence. But I'm not going to change your mind about who this guy was, the same as people can't make you see what Trump really is. 

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Yes, you can find that, but it's not even close to comparable to Kirk. Kirk actually wanted entire demographics to either convert to his way or be removed from existence. But I'm not going to change your mind about who this guy was, the same as people can't make you see what Trump really is. 

That's not necessarily true because I'm not set in stone on any way of thinking that's why I asked you.  Always appreciate your well thought out posts.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

38 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura it’s been genuinely disturbing how many people are still supporting Trump. I didn’t think this much unconsciousness existed amongst us, including family members. The same people would 100% fall for the Nazis if placed in a different time. Different content but same underlying psychology

People read anything and trust it - especially the older generations who were used to proper journalism and vetting. Social media plays into this. Flood the zone with SHIT so people have no idea what is true and what isn't. 

It appeals to how they FEEL. And by hijacking peoples emotions like that you gain leverage to slowly boil their brains with insidious views.

90% of my family in 50+ age are all in support of Trump and what he is doing 'for' America.

Australian BTW

Disturbing is an understatement!

[Joel3102]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

People read anything and trust it - especially the older generations who were used to proper journalism and vetting. Social media plays into this. Flood the zone with SHIT so people have no idea what is true and what isn't. 

It appeals to how they FEEL. And by hijacking peoples emotions like that you gain leverage to slowly boil their brains with insidious views.

90% of my family in 50+ age are all in support of Trump and what he is doing 'for' America.

Australian BTW

Disturbing is an understatement!

I’m Australian too!

Yeah it’s fucked lol. Aussies supporting this are especially pathetic given how he’s treating us. 
 
Thankfully most of the electorate has no appetite for right wing populism.

[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Yes, you can find that, but it's not even close to comparable to Kirk. Kirk actually wanted entire demographics to either convert to his way or be removed from existence. But I'm not going to change your mind about who this guy was, the same as people can't make you see what Trump really is. 

I think the main point is he's not a demon but what you are doing is demonizing.  Would he have gone on to become that?  No one knows because someone killed him.  Was he a demon in thought? Perhaps but he wasn't alone there are a plethora of those on both sides.

Edited yesterday at 02:34 AM by Inliytened1

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

They completely ignore how corrupt the conservatives have become.

This is not merely an issue of left vs right. It's an issue of corruption. Objectively, there has never been a more corrupt, dishonest, unfit, criminal, and authoritarian president in American history. To act like this is the fault of the left going to far is just brain-dead.

Trump literally planned and executed a coup. And these assholes dare to speak about the left going too far left because of some trans stuff. Their level of analysis is embarassing. They have the political analysis of children. 

Yeah, I am totally with you. It fucking pisses me off.

Though their "rationale" is that it's not just the Democratic party that has gotten "too extreme" and "too partisan." They are saying that both major parties have gone insane and gone too far from the center, which is their reason for becoming Independents like you are. lol.

They also say that they want Trump to succeed as president for the "good of the country" and so far give him at least a "C" grade overall for the job he is doing as president. Can you believe this nonsense? Trump doesn't deserve anything close to a passing grade.

Edited yesterday at 03:14 AM by Hardkill

[DocWatts]

The Orange Shit Stain is having comedians pulled off the air for not showing due reverence for the thin skinned dictator in the wake of Kirk's shooting.

Just goes to show that the far right pretending to care about 'free speech' was always a load of horseshit - this is and has always been about naked, unaccountable power.

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:11 AM by DocWatts

[Raze]

Jimmy Kimmels show has just been suspended for his monologue about Charlie Kirk

 

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Always appreciate your well thought out posts.

Thanks man! 

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think the main point is he's not a demon but what you are doing is demonizing.  Would he have gone on to become that?  No one knows because someone killed him.  Was he a demon in thought? Perhaps but he wasn't alone there are a plethora of those on both sides.

If what I’ve said about him is true, would it fit under your definition of “demon”?

If I elucidate the ways of a demon, is it correct to call that “demonizing”? Or am I just stating what is true about the demon? 

It seems to come down to what is actually true about Kirk. In your view, you think he’s some well-meaning guy who really wasn’t harmful or toxic at all. In my view, that’s utter horseshit. 

Like most other perpetrators of evil, Kirk was deeply unconscious of his, and he thought he was doing the work of righteousness. I don’t care how deeply deluded he was on this - it will not make me erase the truth of his actual toxicity and harm. And I know he was fine with erasing people from existence who refused to abide by the laws he found in his religion. This is a fact, even though I cannot prove it to you.

If Kirk was just some random Christian extremist with no influence, he wouldn’t be special, as there are many like him. What makes him special is his reach and influence on millions of others. If one demon has 10 people he’s working on radicalizing, oh well. But if he has millions, you can see the problem, right? 

Edited yesterday at 03:36 AM by Joshe

[ExploringReality]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's not necessarily true because I'm not set in stone on any way of thinking that's why I asked you.  Always appreciate your well thought out posts.

No matter how tense these topics can be, your response is very mature and level headed here. That's something I can take with me so I don't get sucked into a negative storm of emotions and defensiveness. Thanks bro