Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Daniel Balan]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan Interviewing a fascist does not make one a fascist.

Charlie was not a fascist, neither is Trump. They are backward nationalists semi-authoritarians that support the corruption of the capitalistic system. And that's about it. 

I perfectly described what fascist means here:

41 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

A fascist is someone who advocates for empire, for the rebirth of the nation via military conquest & territorial expansion, for extreme nationalism, for extreme obedience to religion and tradition, for dictatorship, for nationalization of all the means of productions that will now produce for the revival of the nation, for the collective, not the individual. Only one individual in the world right now could be legitimately called a fascist and that is Putin.

In America you don't even have anything remotely close to fascism with Trump in power. By historical standards America was more "fascist" under Eisenhower. Because he was the commander of the American troops during WW2, and fascism is characterized by militarism. The notion ot Trump and Kirk being fascist is laughable and frankly stupid. 

Backward redneck Christian nationalism ain't fascism. 

[Daniel Balan]

12 minutes ago, Emerald said:

People who support Fascist causes are functionally Fascists. Gavin Newsom going on those right wing podcasts showed me that he'd be willing to join ranks with Fascists if it would help his career.

Honestly, Gavin Newsom would probably support Hitler if he were a politician in 1940s Nazi, Germany. He is very calculated and politically savvy... he'll goose-step with he best of them, if that's what's en vogue.

And Charlie Kirk was obviously a Fascist... ideologically speaking and functionally.

I'm not personally going to defeat MAGA... nor will I destroy chances of defeating MAGA. I'm not that powerful in either direction.

There are two ways this ends...

1. People wake up to the threat of authoritarian Fascism enough en masse to resist the regime and its aims will fail. But people have to wake up.
2. Authoritarian Fascism will become the way of the land for a time and it will fall apart in a few years in ways that cause a lot of harm and chaos, and all those that were involved in the regime or supported the regime in any capacity will try to minimize their support.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, don't be surprised if everything around you seems like a nail. 

Contemplate what I said here. It will grow your understanding of politics immensely. 

[Scholar]

11 minutes ago, Emerald said:

People who support Fascist causes are functionally Fascists. Gavin Newsom going on those right wing podcasts showed me that he'd be willing to join ranks with Fascists if it would help his career.

Honestly, Gavin Newsom would probably support Hitler if he were a politician in 1940s Nazi, Germany. He is very calculated and politically savvy... he'll goose-step with he best of them, if that's what's en vogue.

And Charlie Kirk was obviously a Fascist... ideologically speaking and functionally.

I'm not personally going to defeat MAGA... nor will I destroy chances of defeating MAGA. I'm not that powerful in either direction.

There are two ways this ends...

1. People wake up to the threat of authoritarian Fascism enough en masse to resist the regime and its aims will fail. But people have to wake up.
2. Authoritarian Fascism will become the way of the land for a time and it will fall apart in a few years in ways that cause a lot of harm and chaos, and all those that were involved in the regime or supported the regime in any capacity will try to minimize their support.

But then everyone is a fascist, including you, given you support fascism in relation to the animals by participating in systems that perpetuate this fascism. You support Leo after all, and he supports this form of fascism.

The question is whether or not it would be effective to communicate this to people, or if most would be hard pressed to take such proposition seriously.

They aren't less true than your claims are.

[Emerald]

27 minutes ago, Scholar said:

But then everyone is a fascist, including you, given you support fascism in relation to the animals by participating in systems that perpetuate this fascism. You support Leo after all, and he supports this form of fascism.

The question is whether or not it would be effective to communicate this to people, or if most would be hard pressed to take such proposition seriously.

They aren't less true than your claims are.

The distinction is that being a meat-eater (which is motivated by taken-for-granted Fascist mindsets around human supremacy), isn't directly adding fuel to the fire of the current highly organized authoritarian takeover of the government.

So, while I disagree with anyone who consumes animal products for pleasure... I also recognize that it's not progressing things in a more Fascist direction. It is keeping a holding pattern of taken-for-granted Fascist human supremacist thought that most people haven't even begun to question.

Most people are not ideologues about meat eating... and aren't trying to increase their meat consumption just to cause more animal suffering.

You must understand that the context I'm speaking in is one where there is an active attempt at turning America into a Fascist dictatorship. And anyone who is supporting that or enabling that is taking part in Fascism. And it's important and accurate to point that out.

So... Gavin Newsom (a political figure) inviting Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk (far right political figures) on his podcast in order to ingratiate himself with their rightwing audiences to increase his political power is VERY DIFFERENT from me (a Vegan) going on Leo (a non-Vegan)'s forum.

To be clear, I'm not on this forum to increase the scope of my political power by ingratiating myself to Leo the well-known "meat-eating ideologue" (of which he is not)... in case there was any doubts as to my motives for interacting on the forum.

Edited Monday at 01:25 AM by Emerald

[Emerald]

26 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

If the only tool you have is a hammer, don't be surprised if everything around you seems like a nail. 

Contemplate what I said here. It will grow your understanding of politics immensely. 

I will continue using the sword and scales of discernment and calling things exactly what they are.

[Aaron p]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The issue is that this is a relative matter of perspective. Fascist is a constructed category, much moreso than a duck. It's not so clear who is and isn't a fascist because the political spectrum is very wide with no natural demarcations.

Is Charlie Kirk a fascist? There is no objective answer to that question because it depends on how you wanna look at it and how strict or loose you're willing to be.

We have to be careful not to act like something like "fascist" is a clear, objective, given category. We create these categories to suit our survival, which then leads to distorted views of reality.

People do over-use such labels and it does lead to a demonization effect on the left. I see many far leftists view anyone right of Joe Biden as a fascist, leaving no room for legitmate conservative perspectives. Then anything conservative ends up being misunderstood by over-lumping it with the far right.

Kirk has aborent views, but his views were not outside the norm of American conservtives. Which is proven by his feud with the Groypers. The Groypers are genuine full-on fascists. But the Groypers are pretty fringe even among Trump supporters. Oddly enough the Groypers make Kirk look moderate.

Being as accurate as we can be is desirable, so we don't fall into the trap of over-generalizing our opponents, which is a mistake our opponents make on purpose.

I think, rather than trying to identify if someone if definitively fascist, one idea I have is we just try to estimate the potential for straight up corruption in each person. Charlie was a mouth piece but I didn't see evil in him. Saying this though, the path to hell is paved with good intentions. So fucked. All of it.

New vid, can't see it in the last few pages here

Side note...do you think he became a target because it maybe started to look like he could make for a conservative president at some point? That video says the suspected shooter is even further right than kirk.

I think politics definitely has the potential to black pill people

Edited Monday at 01:46 AM by Aaron p

[Joshe]

Charlie Kirk would force Christianity onto every man, woman, and child in this nation if given the chance. He would make freedom of religion a thing of the past. He would make anything LGBTQ illegal and would dole out harsh punishment for any offenders.

He wasn’t just a guy with strong beliefs - he was on a mission to spread and even force his beliefs onto as many humans as possible, and he was working at the highest levels of government and influence to make these things and more an actual reality.

Mainstream media would have you believe he was this nice, well-behaved, respectable, well-meaning young man who was just enjoying his life and having good faith conversations with people, hoping to change their minds to his way of thinking, but this is far from the reality. 

You have to either lack knowledge of the reality or be unconscious as hell to admire such an asshole. 

Edited Monday at 03:42 AM by Joshe

[Emerald]

43 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Charlie Kirk would force Christianity onto every man, woman, and child in this nation if given the chance. He would make freedom of religion a thing of the past. He would make anything LGBTQ illegal and would dole out harsh punishment for any offenders.

He wasn’t just a guy with strong beliefs - he was on a mission to spread and even force his beliefs onto as many humans as possible, and he was working at the highest levels of government and influence to make these things and more an actual reality.

Mainstream media would have you believe he was this nice, young, well-behaved, respectable, well-meaning young man who was just enjoying his life and having good faith conversations with people, hoping to change their minds to his way of thinking, but this is far from the reality. 

You have to either lack knowledge of the reality or be unconscious as hell to admire such an asshole. 

100%

Unfortunately, his murder will paper over these realities of how he viewed things... and wash him clean of all sins in the eyes of the politically disengaged public.

Even beyond the fact that political violence is always horrible and sets up a horrible precedent where political assassinations become the norm... it's also very ineffective because it makes the target very sympathetic in the average person's eyes... regardless of how extreme they were.

[Joshe]

20 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Even beyond the fact that political violence is always horrible and sets up a horrible precedent where political assassinations become the norm... it's also very ineffective because it makes the target very sympathetic in the average person's eyes... regardless of how extreme they were.

Yeah, good point. 

[zazen]

16 hours ago, Socrates said:

@Leo Gura The extend of a devil's devilry when you know for a fact he shoots kids in the head already is unfathomable. Sataniahu has been gaslighting the US to join his wars for decades, and I won't even go to JFK or the witnesses and firefighters of 9/11. Just because your mind can't imagine such sickness it doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Before he was even pronounced dead, both trump and sataniahu has already made a Twitter post the same exact minute, if that doesn't seem suspicious idk what does.

Also you misinterpreted tht evidence completely, all those "lefty" evidence are explicitly groyper protocol. He was as right wing as it gets in fact, he seems to have committed the murder because Kirk wasn't conservative enough (like Fuentes). Not everything should be taken face value Leo, come on man....

Not Noah’s ark but Noticings arc:

 

Edited Monday at 09:26 AM by zazen

[Elliott]

This is who Leo broadens the Overton Window for, for the sake of political correctness. @Leo Gura you're being foolish.

 

The book is called "Unhumans" (leftists)

https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-secret-history-of-communist-revolutions-ft-jac

 

Two days ago

calling them "nazis", is not the problem. Jesus christ

 

These conservatives on here are recklessly ignorant, and need called on it, harshly. They don't understand refined elegant rhetoric, they understand in coarse terms, emotion. You're fooled by their semantic arguments which they don't even understand, it's just parroted script for them. They literally do not know what fascist means.

Edited Monday at 12:06 PM by Elliott

[DocWatts]

Charlie Kirk's political career was about propagandizing young men into white supremacist Christian Nationalism. This is someone who said children should attend public executions and that the man who tried to kill Paul Pelosi with a hammer was a patriot who should be bailed out of prison.

I would never advocate for Kirk's execution but Charlie Kirk sure did. Live by the sword (ie advocating for dehumanization and political violence), die by the sword, as they say.

Edited Monday at 11:24 AM by DocWatts

[Jodistrict]

 

MAGA releases new video on assassination.

 

https://packaged-media.redd.it/fribnwwun4pf1/pb/m2-res_640p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1757970000&s=18a3166a03a8146a84d5b1e2404f0994b6ee5cb5

[carterfelder]

Grok Addresses Claims Being Made About Charlie Kirk

 

1. Racism, including claims he painted Black people as violent and supported the Great Replacement theory.

Some statements were taken out of context, like critiquing specific groups, not generalizing races; evidence shows he debated ideas, not promoted hate, but his wording often fueled perceptions of bias.

 

2. Misogyny, such as questioning women's intellectual capabilities.

He made comments on gender roles in debates, but these were tied to conservative views on family, not outright denial of intellect; critics amplify isolated quotes without full context.

 

3. Homophobia and anti-trans rhetoric.

Kirk opposed transgender policies in schools and sports, based on biological arguments, not calls for harm; claims like advocating stoning were proven false.

 

4. Antisemitism, including preaching hatred against Jews.

He critiqued specific organizations like ADL for political stances, not Jews broadly; Netanyahu praised him as a friend of Israel, contradicting the claims.

 

5. Islamophobia.

Criticisms stem from his views on radical Islam and immigration; no direct evidence of blanket hate, but selective quotes ignore his focus on security issues.

 

6. Spreading false COVID-19 claims and skepticism.

He questioned mandates and vaccines based on early data debates; some claims aged poorly, but others aligned with later findings on origins and efficacy.

 

7. Promoting false voter fraud claims after 2020 election.

Kirk echoed unproven allegations, which courts rejected; however, he highlighted real irregularities, like mail-in voting issues, that fueled valid discussions on election integrity.

 

8. Defending gun violence and lacking empathy, like mocking attack victims.

He supported 2A rights and said some deaths are inevitable, but condemned school shootings and pushed for armed security; mocking claims often lack full quotes.

 

9. Divisive and hateful rhetoric overall, provoking violence.

His style was confrontational to challenge left views, but he debated peacefully; blaming him for his own murder ignores the shooter's responsibility.

 

10. White Christian Nationalism, spreading hatred and division.

Kirk promoted Christian values in politics, but claims of nationalism overstate it; he focused on faith as unifying, not exclusive, though critics see it as exclusionary.

 

 

Sources and References:

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

Good god, this thread is still going on. 46,000 + views and almost a thousand replies. 

I do ask the mods to eventually lock this thread, when they see fit.

[Elliott]

@carterfelder @carterfelder

Grok

"Transphobic Comments

Kirk has repeatedly made statements that dehumanize transgender individuals, portray them as dangerous, or dismiss their identities as mental illness or delusion. These are often framed as critiques of transgender rights, gender-affirming care, or related policies. Examples include:

Violent Comments

While he does not explicitly call for violence against specific individuals, his language often endorses or normalizes lethal force, retribution, or confrontation, which critics argue incites harm. Examples include

 

Yes, Charlie Kirk called for the death penalty for Joe Biden. In a July 2023 episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, he described Biden as "a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer's corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America."

[Joshe]

[Elliott]

14 minutes ago, Joshe said:

She was allegedly pushing people, arrested for assault. Out on $200 bail with a $2million civil rights lawsuit now that Abbott said this.

First rule of protest confrontation everyone, have a person recording that isn't partaking. Let them arrest you, do not resist, sue them and make bank.

Edited Monday at 09:26 PM by Elliott

[PurpleTree]

Has everyone watched the video/shooting?

I haven’t and I won’t. At least not anytime soon.

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, Joshe said:

This is the kind of stuff that makes Leftists so repugnant to many.

You can disagree with Kirk's views all you want, but taunting at his memorial is animal behavior. Everyone on the left should denounce such behavior. The left is supposed to be better than that.

Do not give MAGA an optical moral victory.

Edited Monday at 09:41 PM by Leo Gura