What Arguments can You Make That Actualized.org Teaching are Indeed Very Rare?

[LoneWonderer]

This is a serious question. Imagine you are trying to explain to a very highly educated individual why they should consider actualized.org a look. You would try to explain to this individual that the type of teachings are unique, one of a kind, extremely profound and articulated in a way seen nowhere else. 

The first thing this person listening to you will say is something along the following lines:

"Yeah, yeah, every group in society thinks they are incredibly special and unique". They will then go on to mansplain to you example after example of how this is the case throughout history or present day. They may dive into human psychology and how we are wired to believe we are special and unique and our in group holds secret truths yadadayada. The individual may point to religious examples.

But how do I actually get through to the person? 

Note I never talk to anyone about actualized.org or the teachings because I know no one will listen. This however is such a lonely existence. How have other users on this forum got through to their friends or family that actualized.org could help their lives immensely without triggering their egos? 

Btw I know some of you will answer something along the lines of "you don't need to tell others about the things that intrest you let them be themselves". Note I already do not talk to anyone about actualized.org but would maybe in the future try to open up about the subject to colleagues and friends.

Thanks.

Edited Thursday at 08:35 AM by LoneWonderer

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Life became effortless and full of wonder.

Do you want that? 🙃

(But this is based on what I have gotten from truth seeking, this forum and teachings. As a... Byproduct) 

[meta_male]

Honestly, this whole framing feels like missionary syndrome. The second you’re worried about convincing a highly educated person that Actualized.org is rare and profound, you’ve already lost. If something’s actually rare it doesn't show in how well you present it.

Most people reject stuff like this because they’ve seen enough spiritual "salesmen". Just live it – If they’re curious, they’ll ask.

Actualized appeals to a very niche type of "psyche". That’s why it feels rare...not because it’s some universal hidden truth. Nothing special about it beyond that.

1 hour ago, LoneWonderer said:

How have other users on this forum got through to their friends or family that actualized.org could help their lives immensely without triggering their egos? 

"I'll send you a cool video that explains such and such topic". They never watch it, it's too long. Not sure how that makes you lonely though.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

To be right to the point though - the only answer is truth.

Because anything else gives someone a concept, belief or 'point' to aim at.

Which will never work

So I suppose you would have to reveal to the person, in some fashion, that they do NOT know the truth!

[Rafael Thundercat]

I first start coversations about topics like God,Reality,Consciousness etc.. in a casual way, sometimes even in a joker way, just to see where that person os in his or her development. Is more about the clues I get about the questions she is looking for than for the affirmations she say. Someone that have a inquiring mind reveals it through their way of being, you simply feel it, you feel the openess or closedness. Sometimes i try to give a chance and say something mindfuck, but I had regreted starting many dialogues ith some people. 

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, meta_male said:

Actualized appeals to a very niche type of "psyche". That’s why it feels rare...not because it’s some universal hidden truth.

@meta_male, well said.

[meta_male]

@Nemra Cheers, glad this resonates.

[LoneWonderer]

@meta_male

7 hours ago, meta_male said:

Honestly, this whole framing feels like missionary syndrome. The second you’re worried about convincing a highly educated person that Actualized.org is rare and profound, you’ve already lost. If something’s actually rare it doesn't show in how well you present it.

Most people reject stuff like this because they’ve seen enough spiritual "salesmen". Just live it – If they’re curious, they’ll ask.

Actualized appeals to a very niche type of "psyche". That’s why it feels rare...not because it’s some universal hidden truth. Nothing special about it beyond that.

 

Thanks. I believe the way I've said and framed this is wrong. At no point do I believe actualized.org is any more special than other great teachings out there, it's that he's packaged it well that people don't have to spend years of their lives lost reading books trying to figure out what life is all about. Before finding actialized.org, I'd spend years trying to understand the mystery of life through hundreds of books and I wasn't any closer to an understanding. The Taoists said one thing, Bhuddists another, so did the Hindus, The mystics of islam another...then don't get me started on the psychologists, the neuroscients and the scientists who stidied consciousness. The Shamans, the NDE experiencers, the psyconauts and it goes on and on. It was all such a mess, there was so much cryptic unclear language used, and all I ended up was more confused than ever. Nope, I'm not trying to convert anyone into anything. It's just very lonely being unable to have conversations with people and to not be able to get past even the opening remarks on this topic that intrests you without the individual dismissing the topic entirely.

I believe the solution to be:

1. Get better friends (find people open minded enough that might listen all the way through even if ultimately they tell me that I'm full of shit).

2. Do the work as Natasha says and eventually not have a need to tell others about what I'm up to. Do the work and be content in being. 

Still... it's a lonely journey.

Edited Thursday at 05:33 PM by LoneWonderer

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

Still... it's a lonely journey

Yes, because you depend on others for your existence. IOW, confirmation bias. It's very uncomfortable not having your beliefs confirmed or recognized. They came from others and must be upheld by others to sustain their illusory nature. Truth, needs no one and no defense or confirmation or company and doesn't feel lonely, why, because the truth is there's no truth. There is only truth when there's someone observing something to be true and there is no one apart from what it relates to and Absolute Truth is not relatable and that's why it isn't. That's why it feels lonely.

There's no one there that knows anything. It needs others' confirmation and others to know. That's the knowing energy feeling all alone to not share itself with. Someone shared with you, knowledge, and now you want to share it back. That's how the knowing energy operates. That's humans in a nutshell. That's what I'm doing here with you so I'm not excluded. Just sharing some knowledge to keep my existence going too.

[Basman]

The kind of construct awareness and epistemic discussions you see on these forums are indeed rare. And users are constantly striving to learn and improve their minds independent from institutions and traditions. It's cutting edge in a sense, though a lot of ideas don't stick, which is only natural.

Where else are you going to find those kind of qualities? Academic institutions are extremely conservative in reality, so not there. 

Where else can you seriously discuss the merits of aliens in an epistemically grounded way? Or some other mindfuck shit?

Edited Thursday at 06:32 PM by Basman

[Eskilon]

Extreme Open-Mindedness & Independence of Thought.

[LoneWonderer]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, because you depend on others for your existence. IOW, confirmation bias. It's very uncomfortable not having your beliefs confirmed or recognized. They came from others and must be upheld by others to sustain their illusory nature. Truth, needs no one and no defense or confirmation or company and doesn't feel lonely, why, because the truth is there's no truth. There is only truth when there's someone observing something to be true and there is no one apart from what it relates to and Absolute Truth is not relatable and that's why it isn't. That's why it feels lonely.

There's no one there that knows anything. It needs others' confirmation and others to know. That's the knowing energy feeling all alone to not share itself with. Someone shared with you, knowledge, and now you want to share it back. That's how the knowing energy operates. That's humans in a nutshell. That's what I'm doing here with you so I'm not excluded. Just sharing some knowledge to keep my existence going too.

Yes true

[Salvijus]

Tell them they will become pros at getting laid and doing bunch of drugs here. And they will lose interest in doing any meditation or any other useless practices like that. Also mention that they don't even exist to solidify things. 

Edited Thursday at 08:04 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

20 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Tell them they will become pros at getting laid and doing bunch of drugs here. And they will lose interest in doing any meditation or any other useless practices like that. Also mention that they don't even exist to solidify things. 

SOLD!

Edited Friday at 04:25 PM by UnbornTao

[LoneWonderer]

@Salvijus

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Tell them they will become pros at getting laid and doing bunch of drugs here. And they will lose interest in doing any meditation or any other useless practices like that. Also mention that they don't even exist to solidify things. 

Must get them excited before you reveal the price tag jejeje. Yeah thanks good advice.

[SOUL]

Is it a paradox that mysticism can be prepared both very rare and well done while also being neither very rare or well done?

[Ramanujan]

20 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Tell them they will become pros at getting laid and doing bunch of drugs here. And they will lose interest in doing any meditation or any other useless practices like that. Also mention that they don't even exist to solidify things. 

this 

soo true

[Ramanujan]

the most practical advice on getting somethings in life = stephen r covey , david allen , franklin covey , jack canfield , bob proctor

[UnbornTao]

22 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

this 

soo true

Just in case, I was being sarcastic in my response above. 

[Ramanujan]

20 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Just in case, I was being sarcastic in my response above. 

 me too