What makes you not commit suicide?

[Keryo Koffa]

What I discovered is: Negativity stems from Internalized Gaslight Self-Unaware.

When you feel down, it's often in dissonant Reaction, so remember: Reality is Gaslight all the way down.
For what else imposes boundaries and existential veils, projecting Actuality by focal lens
Curated narrative confines, keeping unaware a separation of your own Experience from an Autonomy of Change.

Meanings perceived are meanings imposed, Emotions signifying projections.
Receptors generating senses, cueing their understandings into exteriorization.

Constructs are projected by nothing but Gaslight. Contexts held absolute,
Meanings chained together. Every claim reveals Bias.
Rationalizing pre-selected Outcomes. Recognizing constructedness as truth.

There's lots of hype stuff happening on Earth, but once I leave the Veil, first thing I'll want to know is: Why the hell did I reincarnate on Earth?

Think about it, there are infinite cultures with infinite biases, and toxicities.
And we're indoctrinated into one, sustained and enforcing liminal norms.

So all neuroticism around is really just a reflection of how trapped we are
to what individuals realize and lash out to as normalized unaware Mind Control.
We don't even know what is missing, as we're so disconnected from our Bodies.

+ Here's one about Toxic Positivity, might be quite enlightening.

Edited August 23 by Keryo Koffa

[EternalForest]

ART

If I die, I'll never be able to listen to all the amazing music I want to hear

All the great movies and shows I want to watch

All the books I want to read, etc.

When things get tough, art is always there for me to remind me that the joys of life are infinite.

[Keryo Koffa]

4 hours ago, EternalForest said:

ART

If I die, I'll never be able to listen to all the amazing music I want to hear

All the great movies and shows I want to watch

All the books I want to read, etc.

When things get tough, art is always there for me to remind me that the joys of life are infinite.

To me, it's the opposite.

In OBEs one embodies the source of art and imagination in simultaneous uninhibited expressive creation, without the need for tools. All memories are experienced in higher fidelity and context than the sense recordings allowed contextualization, through new percept dimensions. Reality is more a context, directing the expression of significance through a dim selective veiling of awareness, that synchronizes countless personas in reincarnational societal dramas. And through it we get to experience a continuity of form stabilizing coevolving existences from a myriad of immersive emergent perspectives.

But in truth, when all you care about is Art, then Reality becomes a bottleneck, a tediously outdated paradigm of redundant manual labor, tied to the constrictions of physicality and expectation, a latency of synchronization, to fuel self-sustaining loops of repetitive tasks, which is why we're generating exponential breakthroughs in technology, because of the existential limitations of the filtering substrate through which we manifest a necessity for biology.

It all depends upon the level of immersion and awareness, to some walks and sunrays are enough, others create complex narrative set pieces across inaccessible realities, and yet others seek to make the impossible reality, simply because everything intrinsically accessible has been exteriorized into a dependency of necessitated form mediated second hand communication.

Art is cool, certainly agree there, yeah.

[Keryo Koffa]

As for my own personal answer:

[Someone here]

Because I don't want to do it . When and if one day I experienced an irresistible urge to do it ..I'm going to do it. And I encourage you to do it if you truly want to do it .

But take a pause ..consider disabled people..blind people..people with cancer ..old people who have gotten enough of life's BS..and then consider your life ...is it really that bad ? Make a list of 10 things you enjoy doing and go do them right now .

[Sugarcoat]

57 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Because I don't want to do it . When and if one day I experienced an irresistible urge to do it ..I'm going to do it. And I encourage you to do it if you truly want to do it .

But take a pause ..consider disabled people..blind people..people with cancer ..old people who have gotten enough of life's BS..and then consider your life ...is it really that bad ? Make a list of 10 things you enjoy doing and go do them right now .

I think that’s a reasonable mindset 

[Someone here]

@Sugarcoat if we are going to die anywas..why not kill ourselves? 

But ..if we are going to die anyways...why kill ourselves? 

[Yimpa]

Love

[Sugarcoat]

34 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat if we are going to die anywas..why not kill ourselves? 

But ..if we are going to die anyways...why kill ourselves? 

💯

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat if we are going to die anywas..why not kill ourselves? 

Because you want give love to people and things.

[theoneandnone]

Honestly because I don’t know what happens after this experience and I have attachments to this reality. But I’m sure I’ll eventually be able to do it but til then I’m trying to enjoy whatever this is. 

[Jehovah increases]

Not much these days, but I still battle and soldier on.

Edited September 19 by Jehovah increases

[trenton]

@Sugarcoat I have figured out another reason not to kill yourself. It is a framework that acknowledges the reality of suicide without moralizing against you.

Basically, if you are suicidal, then most likely you are dealing with circumstances that no human being should have to cope with. In this sense it is not really about you, but rather something deeply unfair and difficult that overwhelms your ability to cope. What this means is that you need help coping with an impossible situation. The problem is that our current system is often dysfunctional and fails people who reach out for help by prescribing pills that make things worse. Therefore, if I feel suicidal, then I want help coping with something extremely difficult. However, the reason people do kill themselves is if they feel that they cannot be helped.

From this point of view, if I am suicidal then I want to reach out to every possible source I can imagine in the hopes of finding one person who cares, as this is what it takes to start making things at least a little bit better. It makes sense to approach suicidal thoughts in this way if you are approaching the ultimate final decision to take your own life.

[Spiral]

I tried, failed, had a “near” death experience of the mystical variety.

Now death is the thing I look forward to the most. I can wait, for varieties sake.

Edited October 31 by Spiral

[Aaron p]

It's a mega selfish move, imagine how bad it would hurt your family 

[TheCloud]

This is unlikely to be helpful to anyone at all because I can't explain it, but here it is.  I used to have intrusive suicidal thoughts on a regular basis.  Growing up in an abusive household, it was not infrequent for me to lay in bed for hours writing a spiteful suicide note in my head, and even once I got out of the house, that habit of regularly going to a suicidal place stuck roughly into my thirties.

Then a day came that I noticed that I wasn't having suicidal thoughts, and hadn't for a few weeks.  I didn't and still don't have any idea what changed.  I didn't have an obvious breakthrough, I didn't get hit in the head, I didn't win a lottery, I wasn't happier or more satisfied with my life than I used to be.  It just quietly went away as I progressed with my inner work.

What I gather from this is that suicidal ideation is not circumstance-dependent.  It is its own thing, that won't necessarily go away if your circumstances improve, and won't necessarily stick around even if your circumstances get worse.  It left me without saying goodbye, and I haven't seen it since.

[Basman]

2 minutes ago, TheCloud said:

What I gather from this is that suicidal ideation is not circumstance-dependent.  It is its own thing, that won't necessarily go away if your circumstances improve, and won't necessarily stick around even if your circumstances get worse.  It left me without saying goodbye, and I haven't seen it since.

Well, it is a property of the mind. It disappears like with any kind of thought pattern if you stop feeding it your attention. That's why my advice for dealing with suicidal ideation is to not focus on it. It is symptom of how you interpret reality and use your mind. 

[TheCloud]

43 minutes ago, Basman said:

Well, it is a property of the mind. It disappears like with any kind of thought pattern if you stop feeding it your attention. That's why my advice for dealing with suicidal ideation is to not focus on it. It is symptom of how you interpret reality and use your mind. 

That comes across to me as being oversimplified.  The whole nature of suicidal ideation is that it is intrusive;  if it waited to be invited, it wouldn't be the issue it is, and ignoring it may well be taken as a provocation.

At the time, I didn't have the tools to understand what I was doing, as I was trying to reason my way out of mental illness with a limited understanding of the nature of my consciousness.  If such a thing happened to me today, I have the tools to understand the specifics with much greater clarity.  What I suspect happened is that a part of myself related to suicidal ideation was addressed or satisfied by my efforts, and so gave up its extreme position on life and death.  It could very well be that it was the attention I gave that soothed it, and that what it needed what the satisfaction of being fed and cared for.

My experience is that there is no on-size-fits-all approach that works every time with everything.  Sometimes the answer really will be to be strict and to withhold attention.  Other times, it will be the opposite, or something else entirely.

[Basman]

19 minutes ago, TheCloud said:

That comes across to me as being oversimplified.  The whole nature of suicidal ideation is that it is intrusive;  if it waited to be invited, it wouldn't be the issue it is, and ignoring it may well be taken as a provocation.

At the time, I didn't have the tools to understand what I was doing, as I was trying to reason my way out of mental illness with a limited understanding of the nature of my consciousness.  If such a thing happened to me today, I have the tools to understand the specifics with much greater clarity.  What I suspect happened is that a part of myself related to suicidal ideation was addressed or satisfied by my efforts, and so gave up its extreme position on life and death.  It could very well be that it was the attention I gave that soothed it, and that what it needed what the satisfaction of being fed and cared for.

My experience is that there is no on-size-fits-all approach that works every time with everything.  Sometimes the answer really will be to be strict and to withhold attention.  Other times, it will be the opposite, or something else entirely.

I'm speaking from my own personal experience with dealing with suicidal ideation. It's all in your head. 

Yes, as you gain more experience and understanding you learn to manage and you learn to take your thoughts less seriously. What suicidal people don't tend to admit is that they actually sort of enjoy thinking about suicide because it is cathartic and gives them a sense of control. It's an escape they are giving into.

The mind is very powerful. You can create your own personal hell if you want to. A lot of suicidal people is due to people being emotionally immature and not understanding their own situation fully. 

[TheCloud]

44 minutes ago, Basman said:

I'm speaking from my own personal experience with dealing with suicidal ideation. It's all in your head. 

Yes, as you gain more experience and understanding you learn to manage and you learn to take your thoughts less seriously. What suicidal people don't tend to admit is that they actually sort of enjoy thinking about suicide because it is cathartic and gives them a sense of control. It's an escape they are giving into.

The mind is very powerful. You can create your own personal hell if you want to. A lot of suicidal people is due to people being emotionally immature and not understanding their own situation fully. 

It seems contradictory to me to say both "The mind is very powerful" and "It's all in your head" in the same argument.  In my experience, "It's all in your head" is typically a statement that dismisses the power of the mind.  I'd rather lean toward the mind being very powerful, which is why I suggest facing thoughts with due respect as such.

Some thoughts, including thoughts of suicide, can be very slippery and don't want to be faced because they're used to their anonymous power.  They don't easily share their secrets.  It can be tricky to get to them and find out what you describe of them using the idea of suicide for catharsis or control or escape or whatever it is they really happen to be doing outside the light.

I don't really disagree with you, I just want to acknowledge that thoughts are to be first respected, even if they are then to be dismissed.