What makes you not commit suicide?

[Sugarcoat]

@UnbornTao

“Allow yourself to feel emotions” would change my experience if it was the case that I was repressing them to begin with.

A scientist can observe nature and come to conclusion about something. In similar way you can observe your internal and come to a conclusion. Whether it’s true in the absolute sense could be questioned, we can call a chair a chair but is it really a chair because where is the actual border of the chair? But I guess you aren’t talking in absolute terms now.

I didn’t say emptiness was a negative experience. It’s a neutral experience because it’s devoid of both positive and negative emotion. But it can be viewed logically as negative, without necessarily ~feeling~ negative about it because one recognizes that one misses out on positive human experiences in that state. And there might be different types of emptiness, the non dual emptiness that you talk about could still include emotions, but a state of being empty doesn’t. Both could coexist at the same time, one could see the self as empty, with or without emotion. 

You emphasize the power of the mind. I personally have not found a way I could create positive emotion using my mind. And I doubt you could turn off all your emotions and reach a state like mine using your mind. If you can, seems like a special ability. The mind may be powerful but it is not all powerful. 
 

I see your point about the creation of the distinction between positive and negative emotion. But still it doesn’t mean that a person couldn’t experience only one side of the duality for a while. 
 

I include concepts and the mind in “experience”. You can use your mind to describe your mind. You can say that you experience your own mind. Even if the self is purely mind, you could describe the experience of a weakening of that self, a dissolution of that mind self. Here we connect back to the point about if the mind is self generated or not. If you think the mind is ALL my own doing, then you’re saying I was the one who caused the weakening of my self, but if you recognize some aspect of mind can be inherent to how you function and beyond your total control, you can recognize an objective change in your experience that occurred beyond your control.

Using the mind in functional, healthy ways can help yes. But I still see the mind as somewhat limited in its power. There could be experience beyond the minds doing, positive or negative, or neutral. 

 

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[Schizophonia]

The topic is lowkey funny 

Imagine posting this with your stoic face in close-up as an avatar.

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[Sugarcoat]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

The title and principle of the topic is lowkey funny 

Imagine posting this with your stoic face in close-up as an avatar.

I have thought that too. It’s like a backwards question, someone might ask “ why are you suicidal” but to ask “why are you not ending yourself “ is a bit weird. It’s like “why are you not going to the store and buying 10 bananas and placing the peels on the floor so people slip” 

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have thought that too. It’s like a backwards question, someone might ask “ why are you suicidal” but to ask “why are you not ending yourself “ is a bit weird. It’s like “why are you not going to the store and buying 10 bananas and placing the peels on the floor so people slip” 

Why would they ask that 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

Why would they ask that 

What you referring to?

[Schizophonia]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

why are you not going to the store and buying 10 bananas and placing the peels on the floor so people slip

You on the stairs of your house to get revenge for the theft of your DMT

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[Schizophonia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

What you referring to?

>someone might ask “ why are you suicidal” but to ask “why are you not ending yourself 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

>someone might ask “ why are you suicidal” but to ask “why are you not ending yourself 

Someone might ask “why are you suicidal” to try to help someone

I asked just as random self expression I don’t really care for the answer 😂

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Someone might ask “why are you suicidal” to try to help someone

I talked about the why are you not ending yourself; it would be downright mean lol

It's like I go down the street and say to someone, "Hey, you're fat."

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I asked just as random self expression I don’t really care for the answer 😂

it's good 👍

👺

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I talked about the why are you not ending yourself; it would be downright mean lol

It's like I go down the street and say to someone, "Hey, you're fat."

 

It can be interpreted as “you/your life sucks so much why are you not ending it?” ,like this song lyrics “if i was you I’d cut up my wrist”. Or it could just be a question of what’s good in your life so that you wanna live. Which is what I meant. 

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[Schizophonia]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It can be interpreted as “you/your life sucks so much why are you not ending it?” ,like this song lyrics “if i was you I’d cut up my wrist,  or it could just be a question of what’s good in your life so that you wanna live. Which is what I meant. 

Yea but the afterlife isn't necessarily better.
The point of no return, pleasure of humiliation/destruction of the ego, is available here and now.
It can be anything from gardening to sex, including skydiving, partying, taking drugs, etc.

The desired direction by definition can no longer be experienced in death, so it is not the true desired direction.

It's not a question of any particular activity in itself, but really of letting go, lose it; if what I'm saying makes sense.

 

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[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yea but the afterlife isn't necessarily better.
The point of no return, pleasure of humiliation/destruction of the ego, is available here and now.
It can be anything from gardening to sex, including skydiving, partying, taking drugs, etc.

The desired direction by definition can no longer be experienced in death, so it is not the true desired direction.

It's not a question of any particular activity in itself, but really of letting go, lose it; if what I'm saying makes sense.

 

Yea you’re right we don’t know what comes after so we can’t know if it’s better

You mean those mentioned activities can make us “forget ourselves” so it’s like it’s imitating the end of ego that would happen at death

If you assume death is nothing then yes nothing can be experienced there

[Schizophonia]

20 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea you’re right we don’t know what comes after so we can’t know if it’s better

You mean those mentioned activities can make us “forget ourselves” so it’s like it’s imitating the end of ego that would happen at death

Yes exactly !

The feeling of excitement, liberation, pleasure sought through death is actually in theses places.

Maybe you like being sent to a bad image of your physique for this very reason, but it's a last resort; it's kind of lame to go in that direction I don't want to take you there.

It's better, I think, to say "okay, actually I'm quite pretty 🤗" and dare to move the game towards something more "Boemian," creative, sensitive, playful, etc.
Better than settling for its schizoid structure and laughing, or else coming off sarcastic stuff.

It can be funny in a bdsm game lol but well.

What am I saying.

Quote

If you assume death is nothing then yes nothing can be experienced there

Yes

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[Sugarcoat]

23 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes exactly !

The feeling of excitement, liberation, pleasure sought through death is actually in theses places.

Maybe you like being sent to a bad image of your physique for this very reason, but it's a last resort; it's kind of lame to go in that direction I don't want to take you there.

It's better, I think, to say "okay, actually I'm quite pretty 🤗" and dare to move the game towards something more "Boemian," creative, sensitive, playful, etc.
Better than settling for its schizoid structure and laughing, or else coming off sarcastic stuff.

It can be funny in a bdsm game lol but well.

What am I saying.

Yes

I will not even try to understand 😂

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

I will not even try to understand 😂

Too bad 👺

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Too bad 👺

Your grammar makes it like you’re talking about yourself and the other person simultaneously 

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Your grammar makes it like you’re talking about yourself and the other person simultaneously 

I write this because I am probably mirroring you, in the more masculine polarity automatically.

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I write this because I am probably mirroring you, in the more masculine polarity automatically.

I don’t even know what mirroring means

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t even know what mirroring means

Projecting  

[Sugarcoat]

16 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Projecting  

Ok…