What makes you not commit suicide?

[theleelajoker]

@Sugarcoat

I can't speak for@schizophonia of course. He may (probably) has his own experience different from mine and/or different definition.  

4 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t even know what mirroring means

But when you say about him that it sounds like "talking about yourself and the other person simultaneously" I recognize that in myself. 

One way to look at - or experiencing the world - is to see the interconnections between everything. Indra's net of jewels is a symbol for that.  Mirrored are then my own experiences, traits, believes, views in others. It's this feeling of "oh that sounds very familiar" or even a deep knowing, a recognition of how reality is formed through reflections across humans, who act as a mirror in infinite directions. 

Or, in others words, it's like talking to (parts of yourself) yourself or your own subconscious. 

The more open I get, the more aware, the the more clear I can see the reflections, the more reality becomes fluid and dreamlike. At least that's how it is for me

Edited Thursday at 09:10 PM by theleelajoker

[UnbornTao]

21 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

@UnbornTao

“Allow yourself to feel emotions” would change my experience if it was the case that I was repressing them to begin with.

A scientist can observe nature and come to conclusion about something. In similar way you can observe your internal and come to a conclusion. Whether it’s true in the absolute sense could be questioned, we can call a chair a chair but is it really a chair because where is the actual border of the chair? But I guess you aren’t talking in absolute terms now.

I didn’t say emptiness was a negative experience. It’s a neutral experience because it’s devoid of both positive and negative emotion. But it can be viewed logically as negative, without necessarily ~feeling~ negative about it because one recognizes that one misses out on positive human experiences in that state. And there might be different types of emptiness, the non dual emptiness that you talk about could still include emotions, but a state of being empty doesn’t. Both could coexist at the same time, one could see the self as empty, with or without emotion. 

You emphasize the power of the mind. I personally have not found a way I could create positive emotion using my mind. And I doubt you could turn off all your emotions and reach a state like mine using your mind. If you can, seems like a special ability. The mind may be powerful but it is not all powerful. 
 

I see your point about the creation of the distinction between positive and negative emotion. But still it doesn’t mean that a person couldn’t experience only one side of the duality for a while. 
 

I include concepts and the mind in “experience”. You can use your mind to describe your mind. You can say that you experience your own mind. Even if the self is purely mind, you could describe the experience of a weakening of that self, a dissolution of that mind self. Here we connect back to the point about if the mind is self generated or not. If you think the mind is ALL my own doing, then you’re saying I was the one who caused the weakening of my self, but if you recognize some aspect of mind can be inherent to how you function and beyond your total control, you can recognize an objective change in your experience that occurred beyond your control.

Using the mind in functional, healthy ways can help yes. But I still see the mind as somewhat limited in its power. There could be experience beyond the minds doing, positive or negative, or neutral. 

Contemplate what emotions are.

Reality is your mind. Just a thought.

 

 

Quote

Oh brother, you are nothing but your thoughts
The rest of you is merely skin and bones
If your thought is a rose, you are a rose garden
If your thought is a thorn, you are fuel for the fire.

- Jalal ad-Din Rumi

[Sugarcoat]

43 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Contemplate what emotions are.

Reality is your mind. Just a thought.

 

 

When unborntao gives up on replying to your endless repetitive rambling and instead resorts to his default response “contemplate”

lol jk

But to be honest it’s kinda difficult to comtemplate emotions when I barely feel any nowadays 

Mind can mean mind or Mind, so it has different meanings

Edited 11 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

25 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But to be honest it’s kinda difficult to comtemplate emotions when I barely feel any nowadays 

Estrogen treatment for bigger breast and biggers emotions.

Edited 11 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

18 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

@Sugarcoat

I can't speak for@schizophonia of course. He may (probably) has his own experience different from mine and/or different definition.  

But when you say about him that it sounds like "talking about yourself and the other person simultaneously" I recognize that in myself. 

One way to look at - or experiencing the world - is to see the interconnections between everything. Indra's net of jewels is a symbol for that.  Mirrored are then my own experiences, traits, believes, views in others. It's this feeling of "oh that sounds very familiar" or even a deep knowing, a recognition of how reality is formed through reflections across humans, who act as a mirror in infinite directions. 

Or, in others words, it's like talking to (parts of yourself) yourself or your own subconscious. 

The more open I get, the more aware, the the more clear I can see the reflections, the more reality becomes fluid and dreamlike. At least that's how it is for me

I am a potato 

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

@Sugarcoat

I can't speak for@schizophonia of course. He may (probably) has his own experience different from mine and/or different definition.  

But when you say about him that it sounds like "talking about yourself and the other person simultaneously" I recognize that in myself. 

One way to look at - or experiencing the world - is to see the interconnections between everything. Indra's net of jewels is a symbol for that.  Mirrored are then my own experiences, traits, believes, views in others. It's this feeling of "oh that sounds very familiar" or even a deep knowing, a recognition of how reality is formed through reflections across humans, who act as a mirror in infinite directions. 

Or, in others words, it's like talking to (parts of yourself) yourself or your own subconscious. 

The more open I get, the more aware, the the more clear I can see the reflections, the more reality becomes fluid and dreamlike. At least that's how it is for me

You’re being deep meanwhile schizophonia just had some grammatical errors

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-08-13 at 1:38 AM, trenton said:

@Sugarcoat I would like to give you an update on why I would resist suicide.

Sometimes there are evil people who try to target vulnerable people with depression to proxy them into suicide through psychological abuse. In my particular case, my sister is a vulnerable narcissist who intentionally weaponizes my trauma against me knowing the risks and dangers I face. This kind of behavior leaves me with the impression that she may actually want me to kill myself, especially since she clearly enjoys my suffering.

I refuse to reward this kind of behavior by giving evil people the satisfaction of getting away with murder through suicide by proxy. There are many other reasons why I don't want to kill myself, but the most recent addition was that my existence is an act of defiance against this great evil that I will not yield to. As I type this there are actual Nazis using this method of suicide by proxy to get away with murder, and I met one of the survivors who witnessed her friend as she was provoked into suicide by this method by present day Nazis.

Perhaps we could say that this adds another layer of a sense of social responsibility because of the kind of society I want to contribute to by rewarding love and resisting hate.

Good for you

[UnbornTao]

5 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

When unborntao gives up on replying to your endless repetitive rambling and instead resorts to his default response “contemplate”

lol jk

But to be honest it’s kinda difficult to comtemplate emotions when I barely feel any nowadays 

Mind can mean mind or Mind, so it has different meanings

But consider that emotions might not be what you think they are. The expression or manifestation of emotion is different from the act of feeling the emotion itself. So, investigate them anyway - if you want to get clear on that. Positive and negative are the same dynamic. 

It's likely that in both cases we aren't conscious of what the mind is, so that's another thing to look into. Realizing what it is isn't necessary when the goal is simply dropping suffering. 

Just remember Rumi's quote above. 

Edited 6 hours ago by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Estrogen treatment for bigger breast and biggers emotions.

Priorities.

[Schizophonia]

@Sugarcoat I saw your response 

There wasn't anything weird from what i remember.

Edited 7 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Priorities.

Breasts are a private joke.
E2 does indeed increase emotions; It's basically the ego hormone.

When i tried clomid, it had some estrogenic effects and i was angry and emotive, with agressive libido (in the sense of more charged with agression) and low appetite.

Edited 7 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

 

But consider emotions might not be what you think they are. The expression or manifestation of emotion is different from the feeling of emotion itself. So, investigate them anyway - if you want to get clear on that. Positive and negative are the same dynamic. 

It's likely that in both cases we aren't conscious of what the mind is, so another thing to look into. Grasping its nature isn't necessary when the goal is simply dropping suffering. 

Just remember Rumi's quote above. 

Yea I’m most interested in the mind since that’s what I primarily have experience of.

It seems to me grasping its nature might need one to kind of get a complete meta view of the mind. Which would require like a radically different state of consciousness. But yea that might not be necessary to drop suffering. Although I do think transcending suffering all together would require transcending the mind/self completely. Maybe maybe not, or some extreme mindfulness ability, that I heard a story about.

[Sugarcoat]

@Schizophonia if I delete something what is the need of bringing it up? It’s deleted for a reason

[UnbornTao]

13 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Breasts are a private joke.
E2 does indeed increase emotions; It's basically the ego hormone.

When i tried clomid, it had some estrogenic effects and i was angry and emotive, with agressive libido and low appetite.

Thanks, that's good to know. This time I was the one joking. 😃 

[UnbornTao]

26 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea I’m most interested in the mind since that’s what I primarily have experience of.

It seems to me grasping its nature might need one to kind of get a complete meta view of the mind. Which would require like a radically different state of consciousness. But yea that might not be necessary to drop suffering. Although I do think transcending suffering all together would require transcending the mind/self completely. Maybe maybe not, or some extreme mindfulness ability, that I heard a story about.

 

Quote

Student: Master, please pacify my mind.

Master: Where is it? Bring it to me.

*Goes out to meditate for a few weeks

Student: Master, despite my earnest efforts to find my mind, I just can't find it. It's hopeless. It's been weeks and I haven't been able to locate it.

Master: There; pacified it for you.

I'd say, one thing at a time. Start with what's in front of you - what is currently experienced. 

Edited 7 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

- Master, pacify my mind 

- Bring it to me, where is it?

Goes out to meditate for a few weeks 

- Master, despite my attempts to find my mind, I just can't find it

- There; pacified it for you

I'd say, one thing at a time. Start with what's in front of you - what is currently experienced.

I think that’s a flawed dialogue imo😂 Mind can’t be found like a physical object but it exists in our awareness/experience of reality. I might be wrong somehow though

But yea I tend to focus on my mind as it is presently 
 

[Schizophonia]

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

@Schizophonia if I delete something what is the need of bringing it up? It’s deleted for a reason

Because I find it ridiculous and so I tacitely suggest you get closer to my superego which I value better.

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I think that’s a flawed dialogue imo😂 Mind can’t be found like a physical object but it exists in our awareness/experience of reality. I might be wrong somehow though

But yea I tend to focus on my mind as it is presently 
 

And yet, it might be illustrative of many of our dilemmas in life.

Points to the principle: become aware of what you're doing, and this suffering stops, because it is recognized for what it is - something one does. Stop doing it, and it doesn't exist. Less self, less suffering.  

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Because I find it ridiculous and so I tacitely suggest you get closer to my superego which I value better.

Ok

Edited 6 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[UnbornTao]

Okay now, wasn't this thread supposed to be depressive? Come on guys. Enough happiness and more hopelessness.

"What have I done to deserve my experience? Why me?"