Why Women Prefer Betas

[aurum]

28 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Men think they need to be King Leonidas from 300... when Tyler Durden is actually a lot more popular with women.

Funny enough, a lot of guys do idolize Tyler Durden. I don't know if you've seen Fight Club, but the line from the movie is "All the ways you wish you could be? That's me. I look like you want to look, I fuck like you want to fuck... I am smart, capable, and, most importantly I am free in all the ways you are not."

It cannot be understated how many young guys got into bodybuilding exactly because they wanted to look like Tyler Durden with his shirt off.

And of course guys idolize Tyler Durden and King Leonidas not just because of how they look, but because they're STRONG.

Most men want to be strong.

A lot of the conflict you have with your teachings is that it comes off as telling guys to be weak, soft soy boys. And of course many don't want that or aren't ready for that level of integration. Especially when they're already insecure about feeling weak.

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 minute ago, aurum said:

A lot of the conflict you have with your teachings is that it comes off as telling guys to be weak, soft soy boys. And of course many don't want that or aren't ready for that level of integration. Especially when they're already insecure about feeling weak.

Being strong is absolutely attractive! Doesn’t mean you need to be a roided-up bodybuilder yelling “THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA!” to impress women,  just like she doesn’t need to get DDs, lip fillers, and speak like a bimbo!

[aurum]

Just now, Xonas Pitfall said:

Being strong is absolutely attractive! Doesn’t mean you need to be a roided-up bodybuilder yelling “THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA!” to impress women,  just like she doesn’t need to get DDs, lip fillers, and speak like a bimbo!

I don't disagree. I'm just reflecting how it can come off.

It may not seem like a big deal if you're a woman, but it's going to matter for a lot of men.

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 minute ago, aurum said:

I don't disagree. I'm just reflecting how it can come off.

It may not seem like a big deal if you're a woman, but it's going to matter for a lot of men.

That makes perfect sense, and I completely agree. But it's also important for guys to be mindful not to fall for manipulation just because someone appears "strong" or champions and promotes "strength", over someone offering genuine and supportive advice.

It’s similar to not being swayed by a flashy crypto or NFT grifter who shows off wealth with Lamborghinis and designer clothes, rather than trusting a grounded, experienced business coach.

Common life traps!

[aurum]

6 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

That makes perfect sense, and I completely agree. But it's also important for guys to be mindful not to fall for manipulation just because someone appears "strong" or champions and promotes "strength", over someone offering genuine and supportive advice.

It’s similar to not being swayed by a flashy crypto or NFT grifter who shows off wealth with Lamborghinis and designer clothes, rather than trusting a grounded, experienced business coach.

Common life traps!

Of course.

[aurum]

2 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

so anyway, this is what makes the vast majority of women attracted really ("attracted", not long-term relationship bullshit)

This chart dropped my IQ.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

It absolutely is a skill - it's about perseverance.

There's only so much perseverance I'd be willing to exercise before I decide to close myself for good. Not because I'm not capable of persevering, but just to avoid unwanted outcomes from people

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

And who is a specific woman that you know personally who has gone through the process of being "ran through" and then sour graping about having to settle for a "beta man"?

They don't sour grape, but women do sleep around a lot in youth and then settle down. One of my girlfriends slept with like 10-20 guys by age 24. And to her this was totally normal.

With all the complaining that happens about men sleeping around, in practice the average attractive woman has had more sex than the average man. Women just over estimate how much sex men have and ignore how much sex women have. The fact is that it's simply much easier to get sex as a woman than a man. Men have to work very hard at it. Women have do zero work, they just have to be open to it.

Again, your views on this issue are not representative of typical men and women, but some exceptionally mature individuals -- which is always the bias in your views.

By the time a woman gets to me, she has usually had lots of shallow sex with shallow guys and is looking to settle down and get serious. Now she plays the game of withholding sex because she wants it to be "special", "boyfriend material". This is not manosphere myth. This is real. In their 20s women screw around, in their 30s they get wise and look to settle down because time is running out.

Edited June 9 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They don't sour grape, but women do sleep around a lot in youth and then settle down. One of my girlfriends slept with like 10-20 guys by age 24. And to her this was totally normal.

With all the complaining that happens about men sleeping around, in practice the average attractive woman has had more sex than the average man. Women just over estimate how much sex men have and ignore how much sex women have. The fact is that it's simply much easier to get sex as a woman than a man. Men have to work very hard at it. Women have do zero work, they just have to be open to it.

Again, your views on this issue are not representative of typical men and women, but some exceptionally mature individuals -- which is always the bias in your views.

By the time a woman gets to me, she has usually had lots of shallow sex with shallow guys and is looking to settle down and get serious. Now she plays the game of withholding sex because she wants it to be "special", "boyfriend material". This is not manosphere myth. This is real. In their 20s women screw around, in their 30s they get wise and look to settle down because time is running out.

Although many women under 24 have bfs or stay in long-term relationships for many years.

In any case, unfortunately, younger women, especially younger attractive women, have lost all sense of what it means to be a feminine woman who shows compliance and respect to men, especially to masculine men. That's another reason why most women these days end up settling for beta males. They don't know how to handle a real man who has sex appeal and has traits of Grounded Masculine Energy including integrity, competence, physical and mental resilience, being the leader, being emotionally centered, disciplined with Physical Health & Fitness, etc.

Edited June 9 by Hardkill

[Princess Arabia]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

With all the complaining that happens about men sleeping around, in practice the average attractive woman has had more sex than the average man. Women just over estimate how much sex men have and ignore how much sex women have. The fact is that it's simply much easier to get sex as a woman than a man. Men have to work very hard at it. Women have do zero work, they just have to be open to it.

Can't believe you of all people fell for this. Who are the women having sex with. Certainly not themselves. If you're saying for women it's easy to have sex, which is true, it's just most women aren't just looking for sex for sex's sake, then there are plenty of men getting sex from these women. Do the math.

[Princess Arabia]

I don't know why you men can't just look at the stats, the proofs and the numbers to see you're only talking from your experience. Check the jails to see how many dead-beat dads are locked up. Check the hoods to see how many babies are running around. Look at how the population has skyrocketed from 7bil to 8bil and counting in no time. Lots of men are having sex. The problem is you're speaking about sex from the women you want to have sex with. I bet you if most guys in a certain bracket (status wise, not looks) were to lower their standards and went out searching they would find one in no time. You won't approach the fat female or  the female with the color hair you don't like or the short or tall female depending on your preference, the Indian, the Chinese the Columbian whatever....most guys have a type and when they find it hard to get a woman that's their type they say it's hard for a man to have sex. No, it's hard for a man to find the woman he really wants to sleep with. 

A man usually has to work harder yes, but that's usually because if all he wants is sex, for him it will be a bit harder because for most women they need a bit of stimulation to even want to have sex or will have sex with you. Court a woman who is willing in a way where you're so irresistible that it doesn't feel like work to you and she will reciprocate much easier providing she was willing in the first place.

[Princess Arabia]

11 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

@Princess Arabia If a girl's body count is < 3 by the time she's like 22-24, she's almost an angel.

if a boy's body count is > 3 by the time he's like 22-24, he's a big outlier.

Do the math? 5% men have 95% of the sex.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. What I'm saying is pretty simple. If women are having sex, then men are having sex too unless they're lesbians. Pretty simple.

[Princess Arabia]

51 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

unfortunately, younger women, especially younger attractive women, have lost all sense of what it means to be a feminine woman who shows compliance and respect to men

Yeah, respect yes, we should all respect each other regardless. Not sure about compliance, though. Suggests obedience and submission. No real man will want that from his lady.

[integral]

Women are judging the pictures based on how intimidated they were

it's all about vibe.

If you're jacked and shirtless in front of a girl and you talk to them like normal, they find you extremely attractive because they recognize your normal...

A picture of an extremely muscular guy with no head is even intimidating for me to look at, it's so obviously intimidating you just have to be in tune with your emotions to know what a woman is seeing when they look at that.

[Raze]

52 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not sure what you're saying here. What I'm saying is pretty simple. If women are having sex, then men are having sex too unless they're lesbians. Pretty simple.

Yes, but the point is distribution. More women can have sex overall if a larger portion of women have sex with a smaller portion of men.

Ex imagine there is 100 women and 100 men, 2 of the men sleep with all 100 women, now it’s 100 women who have each slept with 2 people, but 98 men who slept with no one and 2 who slept with 100.

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Emerald said:

And no... you'd be wrong in assuming that women prefer the short term guy for a relationship and just settles for the long term guy because the long term guy is open to a relationship and the short term guy isn't.

That’s actually a common complaint from women we hear, the guys they are most interested in don’t want anything long term.

Also again your idea of hyper masculine is not what we are referring to. Yes women mostly don’t prefer roided out body builders, probably not even for short term relationships.

Your regular guy examples like Brad Pit or Ryan Gosling would be examples of the alpha. High status, tall, handsome, stoic, etc.

Would you consider this video how a beta guy or regular guy operates? We who are arguing with you or most Guys using the term would not. 

 

If what you’re saying was true it would be easier for guys to get lots of women to enter short term relationships and harder to get them to enter long term relationships. But it really isn’t. The exception being if a guys lifestyle is a complete disaster but he’s also freakishly charming and handsome. 

Edited June 9 by Raze

[Basman]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

I was asking myself the other month what is an alpha woman? 

In this context, would men prefer an alpha woman or a beta woman?

Maybe the contrast here is what men consider an alpha men to be VS what women consider it to be; and viceversa. I'd say that for me is who could fuck me up in a fight and who is the leader. For women would be those two plus who'd be a good father. 

Women are valued for their looks mostly. Not their ability to lead and get shit done. And you can distinguish between different types of masculinity to a certain degree because getting things done looks different depending on the situation. A lot of guys are obsessed with hyper masculinity.

Besides, size stopped mattering that much millions of years of ago when we figured out how to make spears. Being good at fighting hand to hand is mostly just recreational. We're not gorillas. Jeff Bezos is way closer to being a modern king and he's just an effective business leader.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Now she plays the game of withholding sex because she wants it to be "special", "boyfriend material". This is not manosphere myth. This is real. In their 20s women screw around, in their 30s they get wise and look to settle down because time is running out.

The possibility exists the women bought into some of the 'women in power/bossbitch etc' narrative, explored that and decided it wasn't for them.

And in-so doing, learned more about themselves, and decided she took no pleasure in wanton sex, when no meaning (for her) was involved.

It still leads to the withholding mechanism you highlight, but with less of the angle of intentional power play or gating.

Could be a boundary discovered. 

However, this would not be the case if the behaviour is the narrative of the relationship. As typically, I would say as a women becomes more emotionally involved, sex becomes more frequent.

None of this implies I disagree.

[Princess Arabia]

32 minutes ago, Raze said:

Yes, but the point is distribution. More women can have sex overall if a larger portion of women have sex with a smaller portion of men.

Ex imagine there is 100 women and 100 men, 2 of the men sleep with all 100 women, now it’s 100 women who have each slept with 2 people, but 98 men who slept with no one and 2 who slept with 100.

lol. Jesus. That was brilliant. I'm staying out of this side of the equation from now on before I get hit with an equation from University Math. I could barely figure this high school one out. Hehe 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Who are the women having sex with.

They are having sex with the top 10% of men.

Top 10% of men get 80% of women. Women are all sharing the top men because the top men don't commit, women just rotate through.

How many kids can ride one marry-go-round?

How many girls have slept with Leonardo Di Caprio?

Do the math

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura