Jordan Peterson vs 20 Athiests

[Guest Nilsi]

I want to see Jordan Peterson vs. 20 Muslims.

Edited May 29 by Nilsi

[JosephKnecht]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I want to see Jordan Peterson vs. 20 Muslims.

I give you something more interesting. 

I give you Jordan's adopted son vs. 60 of his followers.  

 

[PurpleTree]

Did he cry?

[Schizophonia]

On 28/05/2025 at 9:27 PM, Leo Gura said:

@Schizophonia I don't think they would want me. They are doing these videos for clicks and I am not that popular.

They invited a bit random persons like Destiny.

On 28/05/2025 at 9:27 PM, Leo Gura said:

Remember that such videos are for entertainment, not understanding anything serious.

It's like a lion fighting off a horde of 20 baboons. God cannot be understood in such a setting.

Yes.

[Leo Gura]

I want to see Jordan Peterson vs 20 coked-up baboons in an octagon.

[AION]

This is not AI 

Edited May 30 by AION

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I want to see Dave Ramsey versus twenty credit-card users.

[Joshe]

 

[Aaron p]

On 30/05/2025 at 10:01 AM, Leo Gura said:

I want to see Jordan Peterson vs 20 coked-up baboons in an octagon.

Phahahahahahahah

[PurpleTree]

How Jubilee accidentally exposed Jordan Peterson‘s 1 trick 

[Emerald]

Jordan Peterson has ALWAYS been pulling this trick of... "Say something that sounds complex and intellectual... and endlessly obfuscate what you really mean and avoid taking a stance in order to maintain mainstream appeal. And do this by dog whistling for far-right talking points under the guise of being a neutral moderate intellectual that's being open-minded and 'considering all perspectives'... in order to grease the wheels to send normies further down the far-right pipeline towards more openly extreme voices."

And many have recognized this from the very beginning with him. But he fooled many.

It seems to me that, after his opiate addiction, he lost several steps.

So, now he can't do the obfuscation convincingly anymore. And now, it's glaringly obvious to the average person that all he does is gish gallop all over the place and engage in intellectual dishonesty by means of splitting hairs and endlessly questioning the definition of words.

[Leo Gura]

He does that because he himself is confused.

He knows God is real, but he doesn't know how to rationally square it with science and religion.

So he's put himself into an impossible situation.

[Emerald]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He does that because he himself is confused.

He knows God is real, but he doesn't know how to rationally square it with science and religion.

So he's put himself into an impossible situation.

You're reading too much sincerity into his public statements.

Any waffling he does is to give off the vibe of nuanced intellectual professor-type who is moderate, open-minded, and willing to admit he doesn't know and question everything, so that he can bring up "thought experiments" about (his) fringe political takes with plausible deniability and the veneer of "just asking questions" in the eyes of political normies.

So, he knows he can be more effective at that goal if he never takes a solid position on anything... but rather generally hints in the direction of the ideology he wants to plant the seeds for by getting others to open themselves up to questioning everything... even the meaning of basic words.

It's been his game the entire time.

So, of course he was never going to directly admit to being Christian... as that is part of the worldview he's trying to usher everyone into. And he has to keep that 'hush hush' as to not scare away the normies.

But now, he's just gotten a lot worse at playing the game that he's been playing for the past decade. So, it just comes across like he has no position at all... in a deliberately obtuse way.

But he definitely has an ideology... and a really closed sense of what's right. The waffling and uncertainty is and has always been just a dog and pony show.

The dog and pony show of "Who can say what I believe?" just isn't as convincing anymore.

[Something Funny]

On 5/29/2025 at 9:52 AM, AION said:

You could try it. Perhaps they might accept it and after you KO all of those whipper snappers that might be your ticket to fame. 

The conversation format is dumb. The time is short and, worst of all, if a bunch of people don't like where the conversation is going (aka one of them is getting owned) they can just vote to stop the convo. I've seen a bunch of those with actually smart people abd they are never able to give a proper answer to complex wuestions because of this format.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

This debate has sparked a bit of conversation around Peterson's statement on belief.

'To believe something is to be willing to die for it.' - Jordan Peterson  (I may be paraphrasing)

Interesting breakdown. Belief to me, is synonymous with deception. Belief is just more of an additive word, whereas deception is subtractive. But similar outcomes. Ties back well - this reality can only exist due to our (God's) ability to deceive ourselves (Itself) - or our belief that this reality exists.

 

[Leo Gura]

People are deeply unconscious if what belief is.

A belief has nothing to do with death. You believe the Earth is round. You believe Saturn exists. You believe Antarctica is a real place. That's what belief is.

A belief is just an idea of what you think is real.

For example, you believe Satan is real or you believe Satan is not real.

Edited July 3 by Leo Gura

[mmKay]

A belief is a model of truth. An assumption of what is real. A hypothesis of how things are and how things work . 

They can be more acurrate or less acurrate, more conscious or subconscious. 

It's a good rule of thumb to rely on direct experience to move closer to truth, but it's not everything. Without the proper context and epistemological foundation you can still be severely deluded. 

[Joshe]

@Emerald is right. JP is bad faith. Here’s the best articulation of his shenanigans I’ve heard.

Turns out, this Jubilee format is really hurting right wingers. Candace Owens recently went on and was made look like the fool that she is. And when left-wingers like Sam Ceder and Destiny go on, they clean house. It probably won’t be long before right wingers know to stay as far away from jubilee as possible…. On second thought, they are slow to catch on. 

Edited July 4 by Joshe

[Emerald]

13 hours ago, Joshe said:

@Emerald is right. JP is bad faith. Here’s the best articulation of his shenanigans I’ve heard.

Turns out, this Jubilee format is really hurting right wingers. Candace Owens recently went on and was made look like the fool that she is. And when left-wingers like Sam Ceder and Destiny go on, they clean house. It probably won’t be long before right wingers know to stay as far away from jubilee as possible…. On second thought, they are slow to catch on. 

Definitely 100% bad faith from the beginning... but more convincing back then.

Also, that's surprising that these Jubilee videos are actually doing something positive. I had always chalked them up to just being a way to "both sides" some really cut and dried issue.

Like, I would only be slightly surprised to see a Jubilee video that's like "Child murderers versus Parents" where both sides share the "merits" of their arguments.

But it's good to know that this format is actually exposing the weaknesses and inconsistencies of the paradigms that these right wing pundits operate off of.

Perhaps this format really does throw some light on the realities of what these pundits believe, for political normies.

[aurum]

JP has become more corrupt, but he's not purely bad faith.

Leftists are just ignorant, biased and pretend like the answers are obvious.

Edited July 4 by aurum