Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Hahaha EVERYONE WALKED INTO A BAR

And asked the bartender for “one with everything “

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Yeah Yeah @Sugarcoat @Salvijus @Carl-Richard @Breakingthewall

 

What you're conscious of right now is all there is or was or will be

So reality is limited to my little perspective yea sure

[Loveeee]

I don't mean some extra dimensional shit I mean your current simple little experience of reading this, is all there is, ever 

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Yeah Yeah @Sugarcoat @Salvijus @Carl-Richard @Breakingthewall

 

What you're conscious of right now is all there is or was or will be

What I am conscious of right now is that you are engaging in thought-terminating absolutistic stage blue statements.

Edited Monday at 09:34 PM by Carl-Richard

[Nemra]

Leo's joke was about saying that your imaginary non-solipsist doesn't have a mind of its own hiding behind because it is the result of your imagination, regardless of what the imaginary non-solipsist thinks about it.

@Leo Gura, correct me if I am wrong.

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

So reality is limited to my little perspective yea sure

That little perspective looks limited but is actually infinite, just like your visual field 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Loveeee said:

That little perspective looks limited but is actually infinite, just like your visual field 

That I can stand behind 

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What I am conscious of right now is that you are engaging in thought-terminating absolutistic stage blue statements.

You believe in matter/space/time ? 

If not then when and where would other minds be ???

[Carl-Richard]

15 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You believe in matter/space/time ? 

If not then when and where would other minds be ???

Matter/space/time are ways of describing appearances. If there are no appearances, there is no matter/space/time, but there are also no people. So if you claim that "other people don't have a mind", you're the one that thinks that matter/space/time exists, because you assume other people exist.

Edited Monday at 09:54 PM by Carl-Richard

[Loveeee]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Matter/space/time are ways of describing appearances. If there are no appearences, there is no matter/space/time, but there are also no people. So if you claim that "other people don't have a mind", you're the one that thinks that matter/space/time exists, because you assume other people exist.

Where are other minds ? Are they some kind of bubble separate from your own, floating somewhere ? Where ? 

[Salvijus]

26 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Yeah Yeah @Sugarcoat @Salvijus @Carl-Richard @Breakingthewall

 

What you're conscious of right now is all there is or was or will be

For this to be true you have to prove that I don't possess conciousness like you. And conciousness is everywhere. So it must be in me as it is in you. Therein is the debunk. 

Edited Monday at 09:55 PM by Salvijus

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Where are other minds ? Are they some kind of bubble separate from your own, floating somewhere ? Where ? 

If you are asking "where", you are assuming space/time.

They're out of view.

Edited Monday at 09:59 PM by Carl-Richard

[Loveeee]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

If you are asking "where", you are assuming space/time.

They're out of view.

No you're assuming separation, distance, so where exactly 

[Yeah Yeah]

@Salvijus okay so all is consciousness whatever that means because why put words to the ineffable but here we are, and so other people are conscious as the same as me ... From yours or Leo's logic ... Therefore other people are consciousness in expressions relative to my consciousness game as a human being - but in a sense I'm not the only dreamer dreaming them to play my own finite individualized human experience? Because what ... Do people only exist if I observe them and the infinite field of consciousness then collapses into a person of their own supposed dreamer quality like myself or when I look away from someone they literally disappear and if I don't think of them they are of the infinite field nonexistent until I consciously observe them and they collapse back into a form pretending to have consciousness and so I'm literally from this logic the only dreamer and you are not real bro surely someone can be as possessed as me to exclaim they typed out their response like I am and if that is so we both exist as independent dreamers within a shared consensus reality ... I doubt it bro 

Edited Monday at 10:00 PM by Yeah Yeah

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Therein is the debunk. 

Nothing has been debubked.

You don't possess consciousness in my experience.

Likewise, I don't possess consciousness in your experience.

You are imagining a person who is having a separate conscious experience outside of your own.

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

No you're assuming separation, distance, so where exactly 

No, you are 😂 Why are you asking "where?" if you don't believe in space/time?

The problem solipsists have is they grant space/time only when it suits them.

Edited Monday at 10:01 PM by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Nothing has been debubked.

You don't possess consciousness in my experience.

Likewise, I don't possess consciousness in your experience.

You are imagining a person who is having a separate conscious experience outside of your own.

Just use logic. Everything has conciousness. If not, then it creates a duality. So just continue the reasoning that, if you have conciousness and everything has conciousness, and we are the same lifeform, then I too have conciousness similar to yours. 

Edited Monday at 10:02 PM by Salvijus

[Eskilon]

Myself, stop arguing with myself for myself sake😂

Edited Monday at 10:02 PM by Eskilon

[aurum]

Any "other" minds you could experience or postulate would have to exist within a larger meta-mind.

[Yeah Yeah]

@Eskilon not true this is based off false logic on the human level I can choose to agree or disagree but you are distinct from myself living seperate lives within a shared reality called Earth