Humanity Has Failed

[Porphyry Fedotov]

9 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

"Every Gazan is hamas" say many Israelis. You just made now the same mistake, just flipped. Its called projection. Now, its important to be more accurate and for you to know, the IDF, though have its own corraptions, is still a system which designed to defend the Israeli citizens, and not to terrorise other people.

Every Israeli citizen must serve in the IDF by law. So I'm factually right when I say that every Israeli citizen is a reservist.
You can't say that about Palestinians. Also, 47% of Palestinians are kids under 18 years old. And 3% are elderly.
Since October 2023 IDF has murdered about 42,200 Palestinian civilians and razed Gaza to the ground. While Hamas killed how many Israeli civilians? 924. Who is terrorising whom here lol? Factually speaking, Israel isn't different from ISIS in this situation

[Nivsch]

@Porphyry Fedotov Then the US and European coalition aren't different from ISIS according to YOUR exact same logic 🙂

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Don't pretend that the Netanyahu government is more barbaric than the 1948 or 1967 or early 2000s governments. It's all the same continuation of land thieves 

You are ignoring the real survival concerns that faced a young and much weaker than today nation in the jungle of 1948 and 1967.  Just to remind you that Israel isn’t located in the Pacific Ocean. Back then the threat from the hostile region to the new Jewish people was orders of magnitude greater than the threat posed by Israel to the other people’s independence, which is the only side you are willing to see.

Edited yesterday at 01:30 PM by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

You are ignoring the real survival concerns that faced a young and much weaker than today nation in the jungle of 1948 and 1967.  Just to remind you that Israel isn’t located in the Pacific Ocean. Back then the threat from the hostile region to the new Jewish people was orders of magnitude greater than the threat posed by Israel to the other people’s independence, which is the only side you are willing to see.

I don't understand what you mean by the jungle or why you brought up it not being near the Pacific Ocean

You are ignoring the difference between Jews living peacefully among Palestinians in Palestine before the creation of Israel vs the danger after the creation of Israel. The difference is zionism which creates the danger for both Jews and Palestinians. We have been over this so many times I legit think you are a paid shill by the propaganda machine

How much you getting paid?

[zazen]

“Two staff members from the Israeli embassy were shot dead outside a Jewish museum in Washington DC “

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vgrkdje1ro.amp
 

Some are saying it’s a false flag to garner support for war against Iran or to take attention off of what Israel is doing as the world rushes to condemn and take action against them.

Regardless, its quite a tense moment right now..

Apparently if no deal goes through with US Iran, then Israel vows to attack nuclear sites. That would inevitably start a hot war and draw the US in - which is the psychotic line of logic Bibi / Israel is running on.

What Israel is calling for crosses Irans red line, what Iran deems is their right as a sovereign crosses Israel’s..

Brother Bolsen just uploaded on this shooting:

Give it a listen. One of his shorter videos of 7 min for those with short attention spans lol

Edited yesterday at 03:51 PM by zazen

[Rafael Thundercat]

3 hours ago, zazen said:

 

Brother Bolsen just uploaded on this shooting:

Give it a listen. One of his shorter videos of 7 min for those with short attention spans lol

Well, this Guy say it straigth away

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, zazen said:

“Two staff members from the Israeli embassy were shot dead outside a Jewish museum in Washington DC “

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vgrkdje1ro.amp
 

Some are saying it’s a false flag to garner support for war against Iran or to take attention off of what Israel is doing as the world rushes to condemn and take action against them.

 

Definite false flag. Only happened after some European countries threatened to take action against Israel. What are embassy members doing outside a Jewish museum at nighttime? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

 What are embassy members doing outside a Jewish museum at nighttime? 

They were in the rigth place in the rigth time. Ta-da!!!

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Porphyry Fedotov said:

Every Israeli citizen is a reservist. In this context, it is difficult to label the Palestinian resistance and the struggle against Israeli apartheid as terrorism.

It's not difficult. It is terrorism. They do terrorism not only in Israel but anywhere they can get away with. They have no regard for civilians. They are proud terrorists by their own words, no different than Bin Laden.

Edited yesterday at 09:08 PM by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura how is what israel is doing / has been doing different from terrorism?

[Leo Gura]

55 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura how is what israel is doing / has been doing different from terrorism?

It is bad but not as low as terrorism.

[BlessedLion]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is bad but not as low as terrorism.

Deliberately starving people, bombing universities , schools and hospitals isn’t terrorism? 

[Twentyfirst]

America vetoing a Palestinian state for decades isn't terrorism? Even though it causes terror

Get the cartoonish turban beard guy living in the caves is a terrorist picture out of your head. Terrorists can wear suit, ties, and be elected 

[Raze]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not difficult. It is terrorism. They do terrorism not only in Israel but anywhere they can get away with. They have no regard for civilians. They are proud terrorists by their own words, no different than Bin Laden.

What terrorism has Hamas done outside of Israel/Palestine?

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is bad but not as low as terrorism.

That’s absurd, events like siege of Beirut, sabra and shatila, cast lead, protective edge, and the great march of return had far more incidents of targeting civilians backed or done by Israel than Oct 7. Of course they’ll say it was about militants, but so will Hamas about oct 7. Israel was even doing things like Qibya or Rafah / Khan Yunis 1956 that didn’t have that excuse. 

In the current war they have destroyed or damaged 90% of buildings, killed over 15,000 children and maimed 100K+, and are now literally trying to starve over 1 million children. How on earth is that in any way comparable to oct 7, which had under 900 civilians die, and we don’t even know how many hamas killed since Israel admitted they used the Hannibal directive.

Terrorism is targeting civilians for political goals, israel is trying to wipe civilians out for ethnic nationalist goals. That is worse.

Aparthied is worse than terrorism fighting against apartheid, because the terrorism is individual acts of violence, the apartheid is a structure of persistent violence.

Edited 19 hours ago by Raze

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

What terrorism has Hamas done outside of Israel/Palestine?

That’s absurd, events like siege of Beirut, sabra and shatila, cast lead, protective edge, and the great march of return had far more incidents of targeting civilians backed or done by Israel than Oct 7. Of course they’ll say it was about militants, but so will Hamas about oct 7. Israel was even doing things like Qibya or Rafah / Khan Yunis 1956 that didn’t have that excuse. 

In the current war they have destroyed or damaged 90% of buildings, killed over 15,000 children and maimed 100K+, and are now literally trying to starve over 1 million children. How on earth is that in any way comparable to oct 7, which had under 900 civilians die, and we don’t even know how many hamas killed since Israel admitted they used the Hannibal directive.

Terrorism is targeting civilians for political goals, israel is trying to wipe civilians out for ethnic nationalist goals. That is worse.

Aparthied is worse than terrorism fighting against apartheid, because the terrorism is individual acts of violence, the apartheid is a structure of persistent violence.

It's not even about whats right or wrong or moral or immoral. Strictly talking about what is legal Israel breaks every single international law and commits every war crime in the book and I think Hamas breaks just one or two

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

What terrorism has Hamas done outside of Israel/Palestine?

The majority of terrorism done since the 1970's has been on behalf of Palestitian resistance.

It's not only Hamas. Also Hezbollah, and more. Although Hamas had bomb makers who supplied bombs for terrorist attacks all over the Middle East. One notorious Hamas bomb-maker was called The Engineer. CIA and Mossad spent a decade trying to find and assassinate him, which they eventually did.

Edited 17 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Terrorism is targeting civilians for political goals, israel is trying to wipe civilians out for ethnic nationalist goals. That is worse.

Maybe it is worse. I am not arguing what is better or worse. I am talking about terrorism.

For sure Israel also does some degree of terrorism. The ultra right Zionists.

Edited 17 hours ago by Leo Gura

[thedoorsareopen]

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America vetoing a Palestinian state for decades isn't terrorism? 

What fucking brainrot bullshit is this. The Israelis have turned down deals, and the Palestinians have turned down many generous deals (that get less and less generous over time) but the US for decades was the one pushing them to come to the table.

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, thedoorsareopen said:

What fucking brainrot bullshit is this. The Israelis have turned down deals, and the Palestinians have turned down many generous deals (that get less and less generous over time) but the US for decades was the one pushing them to come to the table.

Western interference has turned the Middle East into a war zone. If you can't see that then I guess you still believe in western values and development

Carry on

[thedoorsareopen]

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Western interference has turned the Middle East into a war zone. If you can't see that then I guess you still believe in western values and development

This is the exact hand-washing of responsibility that keeps the Palestinians from being able to achieve an independent, self-governing state. They're like little kids saying, but they hit me! It's not fair! They have more toys! They being either Israel or the West. 

I was pointing to the fact that the US was the mediator bringing the Israelis and Palestinians to the negotiating table throughout the second half of the 20th century, and you came back at me with "the entire concept of nation-states is wrong," in which case, what do you care whether the Palestinians have their own state?

If we're gonna take that wide a context on history, the middle east is just mad it ain't the 7th or 12th century anymore and the idea of a strictly Islamic society simply doesn't work in a modern context, and instead of dealing with that crisis of identity it's just hoping to pull everyone back down into cycles of violence, back down the hierarchy of spiral dynamics.

This problem simply can't be solved with eye for an eye thinking, and from where I'm standing, it ain't the US or Israel that's really standing in the way of resolving this issue. It's the grip Islam has on the middle east and the shame-based culture of that religion that prevents Arabs from negotiating or compromising. Admitting that Israel has a place in the middle east is considered this grievous loss of status, a "slippery slope" because the Arabs can only think in terms of conquest and conformity.