Is this the evolution of polyamory? Aubrey Marcus podcast)

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Unilaterally switching your marriage from mono to poly isn't pushing a boundary, it's nuking it.

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[mmKay]

aubrey marcus is a diehard trump fan btw, for whatever that litmus test is worth

[Jannes]

11 hours ago, Emerald said:

I'm sure your tastes will change and evolve as you age. 

It would be quite uncommon for a man in his mid-twenties to be attracted to a much older woman. Even most women don't find much older men attractive.

So, it's normal that you don't find many women over the age of 30 attractive.

As you age, you may still be attracted to younger women. But your upper range will probably continue to be a few years older than you, if it's already that now.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I hope so. 

Its just, this brings me to the edge of my consciousness. I cant imagine what it will be like in 10 years or so. There will be a lot of unconscious adaptations probably which I cant foresee yet. 

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, mmKay said:

aubrey marcus is a diehard trump fan btw, for whatever that litmus test is worth

Yeah, that is gross.

He's not just a fan, but the way he rationalizes Trump as "truth" shows how deeply deluded he is with his spiritual rationalizations.

This is the key clue that reveals that Aubrey is deeply fooling himself with spirituality. He does it with Trump, he does it with sex.

It is survival and ego masquerading as spirituality.

Aubrey has mastered the art of bullshitting with honeyed words. He makes nonsense sound so sweet and charming and lovely.

It's love as bullshit. He bullshits these girls with love, but in the end it's all so cartoonishly self-serving.

No awareness in him of how survival corrupts spirituality.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[Miguel1]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's not just a fan, but the way he rationalizes Trump as "truth"

Oi oi, this says everything about his self-deception.

No leeways after that fact.

Edited June 8 by Miguel1

[aurum]

The original introduction of Vylana, for comparison:

 

[Leo Gura]

I saw a clip of Aubrey nearly crying at how good and beautiful RFK Jr was. When I saw that, I cringed and realized the depth of the self-deception here.

The intellectual rigor is missing. RFK is such a delusional man.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If Aubrey wants to do honest poly, just start every date by saying, "Hey, I only want poly." Of course he knows that won't work, you gotta get them to fall in love first.

Plenty of women are down for upfront poly though. Probably like 10-20% of western women if I had to guess. Usually the problem is when feelings get involved and jealously starts to form when they get attached, not in the first steps of dating.

@Natasha Tori Maru That's a good point on boundaries vs challenges, makes sense!

It's hard in polyamorous relationships for men because even if he means well he can be clouded by self-bias but if he's upfront and transparent and not intentionally gaslighting then there's only so much he can do. He should be able to empathize for his women and do what's best for them but he also has to lookout for his greatest vision for his own relationships.

Probably would help if the women were bisexual.  

Edited June 8 by LordFall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

37 minutes ago, LordFall said:

It's hard in polyamorous relationships for men because even if he means well he can be clouded by self-bias but if he's upfront and transparent and not intentionally gaslighting then there's only so much he can do. He should be able to empathize for his women and do what's best for them but he also has to lookout for his greatest vision for his own relationships.

Probably would help if the women were bisexual.  

The emotional labour the guy needs to be ready for - I couldn't. I have no idea how some men have the capacity for it. Some men are wired that way though. My ex being one. 

If the women can seperate emotional needs from carnal ones it is much easier. But typically for women the 2 are interlocked. 

 

[LordFall]

@Natasha Tori Maru What emotional labor do you mean? 

There's also different parts to consider like what is the point of the relationship? For most of history relationships were about basic reproduction, not much more then that. If you consider relationships the people that you trust, grow with and explore life with then I don't see why polyamory and triads if not more arrangements can not be possible and involve whatever intimate and sexual components that the people in them wanna experience.

Once again I think humanity is in the dark ages of relationships and even this thread shows how limited people are in thinking about their potential. 

It's more obvious to me because as an INTP I feel very disconnected to people I'm close with even close friends but when I get intimate with people it gets pretty deep and I have barely dipped my toes in the potential of that and I see most peoples relationships even that have lasted a while be shallow and fall apart all the time because they're not really that connected/aligned and just coping with life together temporarily. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 hours ago, LordFall said:

@Natasha Tori Maru What emotional labor do you mean? 

This is purely from my anecdotal experience - but the man that I was in a poly relationship with maintained a lot of desire and sexual chemistry with the women by engaging their emotions continually. In a positive way, considerate, passionate and thoroughly engaged + attentive. No negativity or manipulation.

To my experience, many men aren't so open to engaging emotions for a prolonged and deep period. Emotions tend to be something that remains hidden, like a vast ocean belied by a calm surface. Often, they come out to smack one in the face in a moment of insight. Operating in the background only to be revealed in a moment of vulnerability. Being emotionally open is often a weakness, or can be seen as such, in terms of survival.

This is just in general, as there are many outliers.

Women on the other hand? Speaking for myself, I am a basket case

Edited June 9 by Natasha Tori Maru

[BlessedLion]

10 hours ago, aurum said:

The original introduction of Vylana, for comparison:

 

Poor Vylana, she seems so young, fresh, and hopeful in this video- whereas in the recent one she seems confused, twisted internally, and in a dark place. Way to go Aubrey. 
 

Hes so deluded it’s relentless 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Poor Vylana, she seems so young, fresh, and hopeful in this video- whereas in the recent one she seems confused, twisted internally, and in a dark place. Way to go Aubrey. 
 

Hes so deluded it’s relentless 

Oh my gosh - she is like a different person.

Maybe Aubrey is now seeking the energy Vylana used to embody, in the new bird, and he isn't self aware enough to recognize it?

These 2 girls are total babes, it's quite distracting. Aubrey doesn't do anything for me

 

[koops]

19 hours ago, aurum said:

The original introduction of Vylana, for comparison:

 

wow

totally different energy.

seems like a different person (Audrey also).

 

[Hello from Russia]

Yeah this Vylana girl seems to not want it and rationalize too much

More it seems it is Aubrey's natural inclination to go poly

I personally think it's all alright, I just hope they don't go codependent and actually pursue what they want (maybe for Aubrey to go full poly and for Vylana to quit this)

[Leo Gura]

Did he impregnate her yet??

Lol

[LordFall]

Adam Lyons is a better example of healthier polyamorous relationships 

He’s had children with two women before and although one of these relationships broke off I do believe they’re still in good terms and co parenting healthily while he’s still dating his original partner and other women at the same time. 

[Jannes]

6 hours ago, LordFall said:

Adam Lyons is a better example of healthier polyamorous relationships 

He’s had children with two women before and although one of these relationships broke off I do believe they’re still in good terms and co parenting healthily while he’s still dating his original partner and other women at the same time. 

He seems like a conscious guy, I dont smell bullshit. But we dont see his partner.

Good example!

If you are conscious about it everything can work, if you are not things need to be more and more reinforced. You need to find a structure which works for you state of consciousness and corruption. 

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What the hell, how do all these poly people look so fresh. 

I mean you never sink into the comfort of a secured relationship if you are poly, well at least not to the same degree, you're always in the game, maybe thats why they perfect their looks over the years. 

@Natasha Tori Maru  Do you think its just good skincare routine for him or more ? 

Edited June 11 by Jannes

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Jannes it could be many variables ! 

They could all have killer genetics.

Money and access to great doctors really makes a difference. I've seen the process of before after: Botox, chemical peels, filler, facelift, breast augmentation, lipo. They were done well. You would never know.... These were wealthy people in my circle. 

Never underestimate how much a lot of self care, water, sleep, excellent nutrition can make a difference! 

I am pretty sceptical of anything I see online. Filters and lighting etc. You can appear as a different person.

They are super tanned though, so they may end up like a piece of dehydrated bootstrap leather soon 🤣

If we look at these sort of top of the food chain individuals - it could simply be they are genetic freaks. They are top of the crop, and have been selected as such. This would be Leo's survival explanation

Edited June 11 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

Adam Lyons is very woman-savvy. I hung out with him and his wife years ago.

He basically doesn't hang out with men, he hangs out with hordes of women.

His game is to create a large social circle of only women. Clever devil.

Edited June 11 by Leo Gura