Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[integral]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is a valid point and one I'm concerned about.

However, I don't think we can reach 30%+ unemployment long-term without general intelligence.

As long as AI is not generally intelligent it will be hard to replace humans, even if the AI is very capable at narrow things like coding.

How do you define general intelligence? Because the current chatbots are technically generally intelligent? They just can't use tools or use computer or navigate anything or complete any task on their own. They're basically stuck in a chat box.

Sequential tool usage means it: creates a plan, then it makes a phone call, then it writes an email based on that phone call, then it opens up a spreadsheet and inputs whatever it needs to, then it does some kind of tax document on some kind of website, then it's creates an invoice and emails it, then it stores everything it learned in a database for future use, because it can learn on the job, then it follows the script which tells it to ask itself how it could improve for the next day.

If it could get good at each of those individual tools and tasks and then and if it could run for a week straight without any input needed.

Then I think it basically replaces a lot of people?

Edited June 7, 2025 by integral

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, integral said:

Because the current chatbots are technically generally intelligent?

They are not even close.

They create an illusion of general intelligence by piggybacking off the intelligence in the collective symbolic output of mankind.

Memorizing the entire internet is not the same thing as intelligence. But it produces pretty intelligent-looking output.

[Eskilon]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Memorizing the entire internet is not the same thing as intelligence

Then how do you get intelligence? If a human could calculate every single chess move, have it stored in it`s brain and become ubeatable - is that intelligence? 

In the case of A.I, if it is not conscious it will always exist within some parameters, it cannot rewrite itself, nor desobey orders. How can it ever be intelligent？

 

Edited June 7, 2025 by Eskilon

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Then how do you get intelligence? If a human could calculate every single chess move, have it stored in it`s brain and become ubeatable - is that intelligence? 

In the case of A.I, if it is not conscious it will always exist within some parameters, it cannot rewrite itself, nor desobey orders. How can it ever be intelligent？

 

Can AI intuite something?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

If a human could calculate every single chess move, have it stored in it`s brain and become ubeatable - is that intelligence? 

Nope.

Intelligence is not a set of rules.

[Eskilon]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Can AI intuite something?

No.

That requires a subjective experience, which an AI does not have.

[Eskilon]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Intelligence is not a set of rules.

Then we won't have an intelligent AI in anytime soon I think.  

AI as it is now and even AGI is just a very complex set of rules. You can have AGI and it doesn't need to be conscious.

Edited June 7, 2025 by Eskilon

[integral]

58 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They are not even close.

They create an illusion of general intelligence by piggybacking off the intelligence in the collective symbolic output of mankind.

Memorizing the entire internet is not the same thing as intelligence. But it produces pretty intelligent-looking output.

Yes but you're also describing the average person and the work they do for 90% of jobs! lmao

The first AI that replaces humans will be a fake general intelligence.

 

Edited June 7, 2025 by integral

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Then we won't have an intelligent AI in anytime soon I think.  

I think AGI is possible, but would require a new structural breakthrough, not just a bigger LLM.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

20 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

No.

That requires a subjective experience, which an AI does not have.

I consistently return to intuition regarding the limits of AI.

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I consistently return to intuition regarding the limits of AI.

Yeah, it is one major limit. Right now, AI is purely logical and calculative -- it lacks the mystery of intuition.

Spontaneity and qualia is fundamental to intuition in my view.

From what I currently understand those 2 things can only exist in a conscious system.

Edited June 7, 2025 by Eskilon

[Leo Gura]

LLMs are doing intuition. They just lack general intelligence.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

LLMs are doing intuition. They just lack general intelligence.

How are you defining intuition, as applied here or in general? If there indeed is a difference for you, when reduced for this application

[Rafael Thundercat]

@Leo Gura your last posts are fire,pure fire. No more running around circles, just plain Truth. 

[Vynce]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I think AGI is possible, but would require a new structural breakthrough, not just a bigger LLM.

Also to engineer AGI you would have to understand how general intelligence fundamentally works. And since we don't even know how human neurons became intelligent, its impossible to copy.

Most likely its gonna be happening like Penicillin, a mysterious byproduct under the right circumstances. 

[zurew]

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[jimwell]

@Leo Gura said:

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Don’t you see? It is so much more meaningful, so much more beautiful that you're imagining the world than that you are in a "real" world. Reality has the most beautiful design: an Infinite Illusion. Don’t get bummed out by this, fall in love with illusion. You are an Infinite Illusion falling in love with itself. Nothing could be more meaningful because nothing could be more profound.

Indeed. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Knowing that this laptop in front of me is not only an illusion but also sprouts from my consciousness makes me feel joyful. I'm about to grab my cup of coffee and knowing that this beautiful cup is also mental, sprouting from my mind, makes me feel awed. I enjoyed my walk and run in the rain yesterday afternoon and throughout the experience, I held the thought that it all sprouted from my mind. This compounded the joy and love I felt.

Nothing is cooler and more beautiful than the idea that reality, the universe, or the vicinity is imagination.  It's not only profound; it's also magical.  

 

Edited June 7, 2025 by jimwell
added music to encapsulate the mood

[Null Simplex]

Leftsplaining demonstrated by Mike Judge.

[Daniel Balan]

@Leo Gura, I don't think that the algorithms are at fault for your lack of audience! Fundamentally people don't care about such complex and thoughtful videos as you present! I shared actualized.org with all my family, all my friends, my girlfriend, my co workers, etc! For the last 11 years I tried to show to people your work! Guess what! None of them cared! Only one of my former classmates watched this video : 

Said it was cool, and then when I showed another one he said to stop bothering him because he doesn't care! 

Bottom line is that people don't care about such advanced content! 

Please Leo, could you upgrade your donation button so you could accept donations of 5 usd too? 20 usd is the minimum but I barely earn 100$ a week and I can't afford 20 as a donation, but I could afford 5 $, Every now and then! Also I would love If on youtube I could buy thanks where I could comment with an ammount of money! Please, we want to support your work, you should take in consideration my proposals!

[Miguel1]

1 minute ago, Daniel Balan said:

I don't think that the algorithms are at fault for your lack of audience!

Changes to the algorithm have directly cut his business in half in the past.

The current algorithm rewards and pushes mindless shit. Leo's stuff is the complete opposite of that = no organic pushing by the algorithm.