Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Joshe]

@aurum - I added to it. See what you think about the addition. 

[Nemra]

@Joshe, the last two are more like me.

As for the first one, comprehending stuff is really motivating to me, though I tend to experience deep internal feelings.

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Joshe, the last two are more like me.

As for the first one, comprehending stuff is really motivating to me, though I tend to experience deep internal feelings.

Yeah, Fi (internal/introverted feeling) is the dominant function in the INFP. It's the least dominant in someone like Aurum and Leo. In a sense, people with Fi first in their stack have a lot of spiritual potential because they can feel inwardly better than the other types, but I think they often have a hard time finding meaning and get depressed because they are always focused on their feelings. At least that was the case with my old friend. 

Edited Sunday at 09:20 PM by Joshe

[aurum]

12 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@aurum - I added to it. See what you think about the addition. 

I feel the same.

Use some ideas if you want, but I don't think MBTI should be taken too seriously. Anyone who uses it as their primary sense-making tool for people will become deluded. 

Edited Sunday at 09:24 PM by aurum

[integral]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What makes me INTP vs J is that I dislike following structure and schedules. My mind needs to operate in a very loose, informal way.

J's are more rigid routine-followers.

I agree but it also is very uncommon for INTP to be ambitious and to struggle with arrogance. This is VERY common for INTj types.

Most INTP's are lazy and they need external motivation from a group to help them or guide them to do anything. They are terrible at self guidance.

It's one of those things where you start a project and you do it for two weeks and then you just give up and then you start another project you try it a bit then give up and over and over again.

Classic INTP where you have half finished projects everywhere.

While the INTJ is the complete opposite.

 

Edited Sunday at 09:33 PM by integral

[Joshe]

26 minutes ago, aurum said:

I feel the same.

Use some ideas if you want, but I don't think MBTI should not be taken too seriously. Anyone who uses it as their primary sense-making tool for people will become deluded. 

Well, yeah, I mean, it's not all of reality. MBTI isn’t meant to be a complete model of consciousness or a primary sense-making tool. But dismissing it as  a useless tool that leads to delusion, especially when the model has only been evaluated from the absurd, 4-letter-based pop-culture lens is a mistake. 

The model literally defines and describes your modes of cognition with striking precision, and you reject it? 

I think you guys are thinking in terms of MBTI pop-culture and not understanding this whole model was built upon Carl Jung's 8 cognitive functions, which can either be oriented inwardly or outwardly, thus creating 16 functions. If you never learned about those functions, you're doing yourself a disservice. 

INTP's Dominant Function: 

🧠 Introverted Thinking (Ti) – Key Characteristics

• Internal logic focus – prioritizes internal consistency and logical coherence over external rules
• System-builder mindset – loves building internal frameworks, models, or taxonomies
• Truth over efficiency – values what is logically correct, not necessarily what’s useful or practical
• Detaches from emotion – separates logic from personal feeling to maintain objectivity
• Highly analytical – breaks down ideas to their core components
• Skeptical and critical – naturally questions assumptions, especially broad generalizations
• Precision-driven – prefers clarity, specificity, and refined definitions
• Slow to speak, quick to refine – may take longer to reach conclusions but seeks intellectual purity
• Personal logic – doesn’t blindly accept external systems (like laws, traditions, or consensus)
• Private problem-solving – works things out internally, often without expressing the full process aloud

Is this not accurate about you? 

Edited Sunday at 09:48 PM by Joshe

[Joshe]

@Nemra Do you have any creative pursuits? That's a very common thing for INFP.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Backing up that anyone very interested in MBTI should look at the cognitive functions that the system is based on. 

The framework isn't I vs E, N vs S etc. it is based on the functions behind each type.

INFJ vs INTJ has totally different functions, and is very difficult to get mixed up. The online tests aren't so accurate. You are better off looking at and researching each function (Ne, Ni, Ti, Fi etc) and deducing which you naturally use. One description will jump out to you. Some will sound bonkers. MBTI is a simplified version of the functions. 

Online tests for myself often reveal INTP, but I think the official ones (I have taken, paid) revealing INFJ and the function descriptions are more accurate. 

[Leo Gura]

57 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I want to recommend La Bête (The Beast), a

Too French 

[Miguel1]

Such a nice vibe we have got going on lately here in the forum.

Even disagreements are being handled relatively maturily.

I think we have the least drama ever right now. And it has lasted for quite a while.

Thanks guys.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Such a nice vibe we have got going on lately here in the forum.

Even disagreements are being handled relatively maturily.

I think we have the least drama ever right now. And it has lasted for quite a while.

Thanks guys.

Get outta here you big Fe ENFJ harmony driven feel good bastard! 😜❤️

 

[chisel]

If Illusion is beautiful can computer graphics, computer games, virtual reality, holograms be a space to create beauty? Not sure if it's too silly to ask this.

[Nilsi]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Too French 

Ok, Yankee 

[Nemra]

@Joshe, I think I am both INFP and INTP, if that makes sense.

Edited yesterday at 07:51 AM by Nemra

[integral]

52 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Joshe, I think I am both INFP and INTP, if that makes sense.

They're both completely different people with very little similarity in how their mind works.

What's happening is we need a mega thread for every personality type so people could gain some pattern recognition for each type.

Similar to how we have the spiral Dynamics Mega threads.

But it's unlikely people will be good enough at typing to create accurate threads, while spiral Dynamics is a lot easier to type.

So what you got to do is do your own pattern recognition with every perspective you consume and the people around you and videos you consume and try to match everyone until you have a large enough data set to build your mental model.

Edited Sunday at 11:30 PM by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, integral said:

They're both completely different people with very little similarity in how their mind works.

What's happening is we need a mega thread for every personality type so people could gain some pattern recognition for each type.

Similar to how we have the spiral Dynamics Mega threads.

But it's unlikely people will be good enough at typing to create accurate threads, while spiral Dynamics is a lot easier to type.

So what you got to do is do your own pattern recognition with every perspective you consume and the people around you and videos you consume and try to match everyone until you have a large enough data set to build your mental model.

Would need good, concrete clear resources and definitions of the Jungian cognitive functions to start with. MBTI is like the surface of the iceberg - the juicy guts (cognitive functions) are under the waters surface 🧩

[aurum]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Well, yeah, I mean, it's not all of reality. MBTI isn’t meant to be a complete model of consciousness or a primary sense-making tool. But dismissing it as  a useless tool that leads to delusion, especially when the model has only been evaluated from the absurd, 4-letter-based pop-culture lens is a mistake. 

The model literally defines and describes your modes of cognition with striking precision, and you reject it? 

I think you guys are thinking in terms of MBTI pop-culture and not understanding this whole model was built upon Carl Jung's 8 cognitive functions, which can either be oriented inwardly or outwardly, thus creating 16 functions. If you never learned about those functions, you're doing yourself a disservice. 

INTP's Dominant Function: 

🧠 Introverted Thinking (Ti) – Key Characteristics

• Internal logic focus – prioritizes internal consistency and logical coherence over external rules
• System-builder mindset – loves building internal frameworks, models, or taxonomies
• Truth over efficiency – values what is logically correct, not necessarily what’s useful or practical
• Detaches from emotion – separates logic from personal feeling to maintain objectivity
• Highly analytical – breaks down ideas to their core components
• Skeptical and critical – naturally questions assumptions, especially broad generalizations
• Precision-driven – prefers clarity, specificity, and refined definitions
• Slow to speak, quick to refine – may take longer to reach conclusions but seeks intellectual purity
• Personal logic – doesn’t blindly accept external systems (like laws, traditions, or consensus)
• Private problem-solving – works things out internally, often without expressing the full process aloud

Is this not accurate about you? 

You can integrate MBTI into your worldview if you'd like.

I try not to reject any perspective. I focus on seeing limitations.

[AtmanIsBrahman]

It's nice to see that there's a conversation about MBTI here. It's a very useful tool to use alongside spiral dynamics and stages of ego development.
You have to understand that it's a model of human nature though. It basically tells you what your chimp self is like, but you don't have to be limited to that personality.

[Joshe]

2 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Joshe, I think I am both INFP and INTP, if that makes sense.

Haha, yeah, again, not possible. Each type has a dominant function. INFP's dom is Fi, which is a world apart from INTP's Ti. Every function is very distinct. You can hop in and out of functions but you have a few that are your go-to, and those go-to functions determine your type. 

For me, when I go out in public for like 4 hours to the mall or something, I get absolutely energetically wiped out. Why? It's because I'm being forced to leave my preferred functions. It's harder for me to operate outside them. 

Miguel is Fe (extraverted feeling) dominant, which is all about catering to external emotional dynamics. Fe is last in my stack. I don't give a shit about social harmony and if I try to, it feels alien to me (I want social harmony but I want others to maintain it 😆). So if you put me in an environment where Fe is strong, I will not be happy because I see such endeavors as a waste of my precious time. Same goes for everyone when they're forced to engage their shadow functions. 

If you're an INFP, you hate these things: 

• Making quick decisions
• Too much sensory input or chaotic environments
• Cold, detached logical criticism (feels like personal attack)
• Pressure to act against your inner values 

If those don't have a problem with these, you're not INFP. 

Edited yesterday at 12:53 AM by Joshe

[AtmanIsBrahman]

36 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Would need good, concrete clear resources and definitions of the Jungian cognitive functions to start with.

I'll give it a try (keep in mind there isn't a consensus on these)

Ne- potentiality

Se- actuality

Ni- will

Si- memory

Te- rationale

Ti- logic

Fe- ethics

Fi- morals