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[Leo Gura]

@aurum It's a genetic/chemical disorder. The protocol is chemical. Anti-psychotics.

Maybe yoga might help with it. Unsure. It needs a physiological intervention, not a mindset one.

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[aurum]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@aurum It's a genetic/chemical disorder. The protocol is chemical. Anti-psychotics.

Maybe yoga might help with it. Unsure. It needs a physiological intervention, not a mindset one.

Anti-psychotics, yes.

My understanding though is that current anti-psychotics are pretty limited. They genuinely help with the most obvious symptoms, but struggle in other areas.

It seems analogous to taking an SSRI for depression. 

[LifeEnjoyer]

Latest posts reminded me of when I went on a meditation retreat with Roger Gabriel (Deepak Chopra's right hand man(?)) 

I asked him what he thought about "sanity is just an island in an ocean of insanity." (paraphrasing) He said he'd switch the two terms around.

I found him very interesting because he came really close to saying a lot of the things that Leo talks about, just slightly off. Another example was when I asked him what the highest value was and he said Love, True Love... 

He laughed at the idea of using psychedelics.

He also said that there is more to this experience than just this present moment though. I remember asking the question and the lady next to him started shaking her head arrogantly. Lol.

Was my first experience at the feet of the master and it was still pretty powerful overall though.

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[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, aurum said:

current anti-psychotics are pretty limited.

Because it's a band-aid over a genetic defect.

The real cure is to re-write the genetics.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, LifeEnjoyer said:

He said he'd switch the two terms around.

The number of ways to be broken far outnumber the number of ways to be functional.

Which is why you can't make life by just mixing a bunch of chemicals together in a blender.

Sanity requires near-perfect precision. Madness doesn't.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Michal__]

If you are seriously psychotic psychiatrists will lobotomize you.

I've seen it in my stay at the psychward. 

Even electro shock "therapy" is still legal.

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[cistanche_enjoyer]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If cannabis works on you, test the entire gamut of cannabinoids.

On me it works very well.

So you just tested all the individual cannabinoids? And THC-A is the one working best for you right? How is it different from regular THC?

I live in Germany where regular weed is legal, but individual components are not - not even edibles. I’d have to see how I could isolate them, if it’s even possible.

 

[UnbornTao]

Here we go again conflating altered states of mind with becoming conscious, and making little worldviews out of them. Cool.

[Davino]

7 hours ago, aurum said:

I find the question of how to treat schizophrenic patients fascinating.

If you're a psychiatrist, you cannot just tell your patient to hallucinate a stronger boundary. True or untrue, this is unlikely to be useful advice for them.

So the question is, how would you translate the metaphysical truth (porosity of mind) into some kind of tangible protocol or medicine?

If that protocol already existed and was part of standard of care, then I would expect a lot less people who are suffering from schizophrenia. Which makes me think that protocol does not exist. Or, perhaps such a protocol cannot be sufficiently scaled / standardized at all. 

What would certainly help long term is science realising the true metaphysics of reality. 

The materialist philosophy is not only wrong but has silent victims, one of them is people with mental disorders. As long as the status quo is materialist these people will continue to be misunderstood and solutions will be superficial and based on being functional again, surviving and delivering value again to society.

[Miguel1]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

What would certainly help long term is science realising the true metaphysics of reality. 

The materialist philosophy is not only wrong but has silent victims, one of them is people with mental disorders. As long as the status quo is materialist these people will continue to be misunderstood and solutions will be superficial and based on being functional again, surviving and delivering value again to society.

Yep. So many fundamental problems in our society would receive tools to be solved, if this paradigm shift happened.

But not in our lifetime.

[Miguel1]

Who remembers Leo recomminding this a few months back to clean your ears? 

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[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

And THC-A is the one working best for you right?

I didn't say that.

Delta 9 THC is the most obvious thing to try.

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I live in Germany where regular weed is legal, but individual components are not - not even edibles. I’d have to see how I could isolate them, if it’s even possible.

You are not going to isolate them. That's very complicated.

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[integral]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The protocol is chemical. Anti-psychotics.

Lauren has a popular youtube channel documenting her schizophrenia for years, at some point last year she cured it and documented it on her channel. 

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[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, integral said:

at some point last year she cured it and documented it on her channel.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

But also, I think some forms of it are more curable than others. They are not all equal.

The boundary can have various degrees and kinds of porosity, and for various reasons.

The majority of schizophrenia is not going to cure easily. It's a pretty serious condition. But, of course, it's worth a try.

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[Magnanimous]

Leo you mentioned one time you wish your mind was looser for consciousness experimentation purposes?

What would that mean practically, in comparison to schizophrenia? 

 

[Miguel1]

Btw, that post / writing about schizophrenia was pure art. I read it first thing after waking up, while still half-asleep, and I thought I was dreaming the writing. That's how artistic / surreal it felt.

[Leo Gura]

I'm trying to showcase some of the artistry of Consciousness.

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Leo you mentioned one time you wish your mind was looser for consciousness experimentation purposes?

What would that mean practically, in comparison to schizophrenia?

This isn't hypothetical. Mystics and spiritually talented people like Teal Swan have naturally looser default states of consciousness. That's why they become mystics. It comes naturally to them. Yet they are not schizophrenic.

So there are dysfunctional and functional versions of porosity of the boundary.

The Muhammad of the Koran is one example of such a person, if the stories are to be trusted.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Judy2]

just when i decided horror movies are bad for my brain, those images are all over Leo's blog. 

[Judy2]

@Leo Gura i've been wanting to ask something because i had a mystical experience six years ago when i was also in a very detrimental state in terms of physical and mental health. i am guessing there were dissociative and maybe even psychotic elements to the experience, but the ego death also felt very distinct and it was like i exploded or flipped inside out because my body was too weak to contain any sense of separation. i had also been consuming a lot of spiritual content in the months leading up to the experience. so i think the awakening part of it was very real, but the intersection with the dissociative/psychotic phenomena was really confusing to me then, and is still hard to make sense of now.

do you have any insights on that?